Recently (note: at the time of writing), a stuntman performing stunts for Jackie Chan, who worked in the film industry for more than 20 years and began working as a fight director for a team Donnie Yen, said in his blog that the words Jackie Chan that he does all his own stunts is just a beautiful lie. He personally performed stunts for Jackie. In "Police Story"Where Jackie riding a bike through the fire, it was him. There were also some fight scenes. In essence, the director first filmed all the fight scenes with the stuntman, and then the same fights with Jackie. They were mounted together, so it is impossible to make out who is actually fighting.
After the release of a reality show in which Jackie is looking for new action stars, journalists asked him if he had ever used body doubles, but Jackie was tight-lipped, only saying that his injuries speak for themselves and advising viewers to watch the films at home frame by frame and decide for themselves.
Donnie Yen in his interview he said that he doesn’t understand why people have recently started to worry so much about the subject of doubles/stuntmen, because they are used in every action movie, starting from the very first days.
I specialize in kung fu, and if a scene involves my area of expertise, I won't use a body double. On the other hand, do I have to prove to everyone that I am superman? I'm not Superman and I can't jump from the third floor. And if I jump, will that prove that I’m a good fighter? For such cases I use a stuntman. For example, if I was filming for more than 10 hours in a row and was dead tired, and the director gives me a rest and uses the hand of a stunt double in close-up scenes, shouldn’t I do this? Does this have to be my hand?
For example, if you are building a hotel, and after construction is completed, the workers begin to reproach the vice president for not hammering a single nail, which means it is a bad hotel. Isn't this funny? Saying that about stuntmen is a sign of unprofessionalism. This is normal in movies. I used to be a stuntman too. When I first started, I worked as a stuntman for Yuen Woo Ping and doubled for three brothers in the film.
Yuen Wa: There are many dangerous scenes that even Jackie couldn't handle. He is a superstar and brings great value to the film. If he gets injured, it will affect the filming process, so using stunt doubles is normal. Because of insurance, management will insist on this. In addition, people get older, and every year it becomes more difficult for them to perform all the tricks.
As for yourself, then Jackie said:
I've been acting in films since I was six and a half years old. I'm really very tired.
Donnie Yen: We can't fight like we're forever young. But the style I fight is very different. He has developed and is not so limited by age. Of course, it's still body language. I won't be able to do this after 60. I focus on training my body and it reduces restrictions. It is normal for others to replace you. We must take a modern approach, we must improve, otherwise we will disappear. I'm not afraid that one day I won't be able to do what I'm capable of now. I know for sure that I won’t make it to that point because I’m gradually switching to directing, producing and working on the other side of the camera.
Regarding whose kung Fu better, Jackie said:
You said everything correctly. When you watch my films, you don't feel violence because I try to convey love. My style has a lot of dance moves and it requires mobility. For example, Zhang Ziyi and Michelle Yeoh can't fight, but they can dance. I can turn them into action stars. It's very simple.
Donnie Yen: Jackie Chan came from the opera and knows how to do somersaults. These are his strengths. There are many such jumps in northern Wushu styles. As for me, I don’t understand this.
I am very interested in a new type of martial arts. A few years ago I became interested in MMA, and after two or three years of training I can use my films to introduce them to audiences. MMA combines many different styles. There is Chinese Wushu, Karate, Taekwondo, Muay Thai, Judo, Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu and many others that are openly used. It is a very exciting sport and is very popular in Europe and the USA. But in China and Hong Kong, not so much yet.
What are your future plans besides kung fu?
According Jackie answered Jonathan Lee:
Jackie hardly studied and never went to school. He is a superstar in the eyes of others, but overall he is no different from others. He has fear, greed, but he is very sweet. He has a perception of core values, and he expresses this through his own hard work, one follows another. Once I let him record an album, but to be honest, he’s not good at music. He won't make a professional singer.
Donnie Yen: I don't mind if people think of me as an action star, because from the very beginning to this day I've been doing mostly action movies. This approach is understandable. If I had not done well, I would not have received such recognition. I'm sure I don't have to prove to anyone that I'm good at dramatic roles. My goal is not drama. My strong point is demonstrating martial arts in full.
Whose successor will be better?
Jackie Chan: The most important thing is that the person who wants to become my successor has a sense of freedom and a fire in his heart. The ability to fight is secondary. As a result, according to this principle, I will choose 2-3 people, they will accompany me everywhere, studying choreography, editing, script writing, etc.
Donnie Yen: I'm not Jackie, who thoroughly and systematically “promotes” himself on TV. And I’m not going to open my own school. The successor, in addition to basic martial arts skills, must at least speak English and be proficient in acting. In addition, he must have broad views of the world and relevant knowledge. To become a Chinese action star, you don't have to be limited to one territory, you have to be an international personality.
Source: wretch.cc
Translation: EvilDollaR
The article is dated 2007
At least Donnie Yen doesn’t erect monuments to his beloved, as some do...
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Regarding “Jackie Chan is promoting himself,” Donnie Yen, of course, is exaggerating and disingenuous himself)). And the fact that they had and still have understudies is not surprising. But this does not detract one bit from the merits of the same D. Chan! The main thing, as Jackie said: “is to keep the fire burning in your heart.”
Dude, don't freak out. Don't forget that our heroes are not eternal, and sooner or later they have to use doubles. And Scott has a double (look at the comments more carefully), and Sammo (especially in the film Fatal Move), and Jackie in his last films, and Donnie also has doubles. They're not supermen, they can't do all the tricks. So you just blindly believe. Or don’t you want to believe that our favorites get old? ;)
Whoever says that Jackie Chan Donnie Yong Jet Li Tony Jaa Sammo Hung Jackie Woo Scott Adkins doesn't do his own stunts, fuck you *** I'm 100% sure that you do all of them yourself *** imagination is running wild, I'm sure they don't which of them didn’t use a stunt double for more than one trick?
No, saying that Jackie can't do decent stunts is like saying that Bruce Lee can't do a cartwheel :) stunts are one of Jackie's main specialties, don't underestimate him. And the presence of understudies for an actor is the norm and is far from new; they should be there in any case, because if the main actor gets hurt, many will suffer losses..
I agree, this is a fact.
In Ong Bak 2 and 3, not all tricks (and in some places not even in trick moments). I think that he could easily fulfill them, but the contract obliges him: he is a star, plus there are difficulties with film production, so doubles came out. Yes, to be honest, I don’t care at all about doubles, there are, there aren’t, but it would be better if there were, otherwise they’ll take 1-4 years to shoot the film 5(!).
Jackie Chan has had stunt doubles since the early 80s, and maybe even earlier, basically as soon as he became a star. He was a stuntman and became a star. In terms of stunts, Tony Jaa has not yet caught up with Jackie Chan, but Jaa still doesn’t have many films. There will be another opportunity. Jackie Chan said that he doesn’t use doubles: a lie, of course, but, oddly enough, I always didn’t care about it. He himself did stunts that even stuntmen would hardly be able to perform.
“In my opinion, in “Ong Bak” alone, Tony Jaa did more in stunt(!) work than Jackie did in his entire career.”
Those. Jaa did more in one film than Jackie did in a hundred? It's not funny to me =D Tony Jaa is currently the only one who actually does all his own stunts, BUT as soon as he starts starring in not one film every two or three years, but two or three in one year... they will immediately appear understudies. =)
Scott is handsome!) I respect him for his honest attitude towards the viewer. We all know what he's capable of, but that's not the point. That's why understudies are needed to replace actors in complex, dangerous scenes, and that's normal. If an actor himself decides to perform a stunt, then honor and praise him, but don’t say that you did it if a stuntman did it. The main goal is to make a good product - a film, and not to praise yourself, everyone has their own job, for actors the main goal is to act, for stuntmen to duplicate if necessary. But when people like Chan, for example, stubbornly claim that they do everything (absolutely) themselves, then this is not fair to both the stuntman and the viewer, this is an elementary deception. Well, if you can’t or don’t want to do a trick for various reasons, then don’t do it, you have a different main task, but when you make a career and reputation for yourself on such tricks, then this is not good. I’m not saying that doubles did everything for Jackie, but a lot, even in his youth... And it would be nice if there weren’t such an extensive PR company around these tricks, then okay, but this is what Chan’s image is built on. And he was dubbed a lot, even in very famous, iconic stunts. And they correctly said above that all his numerous injuries, and in mild episodes, indicate his low qualifications as a stuntman. Yes, he did a couple (!) of spectacular stunts, but nothing more, I’ve seen no less cool ones in Hong Kong films, they’re just not shown off, and they’re not as promoted. And in general, Chan is not a stuntman, a stuntman yes, but not a stuntman, there is a difference. And all these stories that not a single insurance company in the world will undertake to insure him, in my opinion, are complete show-offs, professional stuntmen have insurance, but I don’t know why Jackie doesn’t have it... I think because in this case I’m not a professional performs tricks. And not really, except for a couple, he has difficult tricks. Constantly somersaults, jumps, and does a Chinese flap (or whatever they call getting up to your feet pushing off from your hands (well, you can do without them) on the ground?) in every film...What's so difficult here for a trained(!) person???! Plus, sometimes he will do a decent trick, or a stunt double will do it for him, but Jackie will say that he is, that’s how a reputation is born. In my opinion, in “Ong Bak” alone, Tony Jaa did more in stunt(!) work than Jackie did in his entire career. Another thing is that Chan has a sense of rhythm, he is a competent director, and even with his limited (!) stunt arsenal he can stage scenes more beautiful than other super-stunt artists, yes! But you need to be honest with the viewer, you did some of it yourself, if possible, some of it was done by an understudy, but you don’t have to be cunning. Jet has been dubbed a lot since Once Upon a Time in China, both in battles and in elementary episodes, but he is honest and worthy of respect, and everyone accepts this fact well. But Chan “doesn’t play by suit”, if you say that you do it yourself and advertise yourself with this, then be prepared for the corresponding demand!!!
Are they brothers by any chance? Very similar =)
Jet Li has always used stunt doubles, from Once Upon a Time in China to the present day. And in the simplest scenes.
This means that Scott (to paraphrase the classics) “learned Russian only because Boyka spoke to him!” )))
In fact, he is a secret fan of your site, and he learned Russian from the time of Undisputed 2 =)
Yes, not every actor can present, roughly speaking, to the whole world, proof that he has an understudy. I respect you.
PS Didn't he read this topic for an hour?.. :D
Really similar =)
Agree. Here is Scott with his stunt doubles on the set of the Killer Games and the Survival Tournament (the stunt double flew into the window for him):
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Well, just like two peas in a pod)))
Scott is just great! There is not an ounce of show-off in him, he does not hide the fact that he uses the services of understudies. For example, in ninda he said that he did all the action scenes and acrobatics, and left the jumping on rooftops and being hit by cars to the stunt doubles. This guy is capable of a lot, but he has no need to mutilate himself in order to prove something to anyone... he has already proven that he is one of the best!
But Jet Li, for example, has been upsetting me lately... he uses doubles in relatively simple scenes that he could do himself...
Speaking of doubles. Adkins himself posted a photo of himself standing next to his stunt double. Filmed on the set of “The Expendables 2”.
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I would also consider Donnie's fight with Jackie Wu in the alley from SPL to be one of the best. And he has no ropes, by the way. And, if I’m not mistaken, this is the favorite fight of the notorious Larnell.
Firstly, I’m not a fan of Donny, let your purely personal opinion about the actor remain with you. But in terms of acting, for the most part, I agree that he can be monotonous, but there are really good works in this regard, the first Ip Man for example. As for the cables, of course it happens, take the same fist of the legend, but this is, as they say, the style of the film, so they decided to make the film, but there are films where cables are appropriate and look impressive if a person understands what they are used for. The Same Hero or Once Upon a Time in China is a work of genius.
I won’t argue, because I’ve already expressed my entire opinion on Donny, and apparently you’re a fan of his. We don’t have any common ground in the dispute)
Yes, maybe I haven’t seen all of his films, but I’ve seen enough of them that I don’t like his style of fighting on screen, much less his acting. I'm not saying that he completely sucks and all that... whatever one may say, he is one of the few big martial arts movie stars today, but... but it's just not my thing, probably. Of all the last things you mentioned, I saw everything... and I didn’t like anything... the only thing, I repeat, is the final fight in the flash - that’s really good.
protvin, of course I'm sorry, but this is complete nonsense =). Donny, like any other Chinese star, has films using ropes, for example the film “Hero”, but calling them flawed is stupid, but that’s not the point. As I understand it, you’ve known Donny for a couple of years at most, and you write such nonsense, Watch the films The 80s, first of all, such films as On Performance 4, Cage of the Tiger, and Cage of the Tiger 2, first of all, From them you will definitely have a correct, proper idea of Donnie Yen as an actor and fight director, Yuen Woo-Ping himself he trusted him in his films, and he staged the fights in which Donny participated personally with his team. Of the new ones, I recommend SPL Three Stars, Flash and Ip Man. He has a unique talent for staging fights in related styles, without ropes, and his performance deserves special praise and there is no need to take one or two separate films and say how he flies there all the time and evaluate only on that. I have known Donny for over 20 years, he is one of the best fight directors and realistic fighters in cinema.
He's worse than a flyer. Because when someone flies in a Shaolin fairy tale like Jet Li, then it is perceived accordingly. But when Donnie, in the role of a stern policeman, or a real historical figure, weaves anti-gravity elements into his completely normal and realistic technique, then despite the rest of the fundamentally good production, you want to turn off this monstrosity and never watch it again.
For me, Donny's name in the credits clearly means flawed cable productions. Well, there’s nothing to say about his dull acting.... he’s something like the Chinese Nicolas Cage, with a constantly sad, blank face for all occasions.
Forgive me fans, but this is exactly how I perceive this action movie “star.” Although I consider the final fight in the hot spot to be one of the best fights ever (but even there it was not without anti-gravity).
protvin Donnie flyer? Bugaga. you're confusing something
I was very touched by this topic. The actors revealed a new side of themselves to me, I have conflicting feelings...
yeah, I looked and what? let's introduce an Oscar for the most realistic fight and immediately give it to Donnie Yeni for the fight scene, hmm.... for example, on the table in Ipman.... and for all the others you can give it too, because he flutters so realistically in these films!
Guys, I think this is all turning into a farce. I respect both Jackie and Donnie for their real work, and everything else.
> And an injury on set is not an indicator of skill, but an indicator that the stunt was unsuccessful. I don't see anything to be proud of here.
In fact, when we watched footage of unsuccessful takes (and this is also what attracted everyone in Jackie’s films - it’s true :)) - it was not only that the main character does the tricks himself - but that we showed that these very tricks are real. That this is not installation or adjustment.
There’s only one thing I don’t understand... well, Jackie has fans, so what? Why spew bile and say how wrong they are? Everyone has fans, let's now assure them that Twilight is not the best film of the century, and Brett Pitt is not the best actor in the world! This is stupid. The fans have a right to exist and they have the right to praise Jackie as much as they want. He deserves it, I think...
Jackie, Sammo, Doni... you forgot about Yuen Biao! Amazing fighter and acrobat! He’s good in terms of fighting, in terms of acrobatics, he’s an order of magnitude better than all of the above, and his stunts are no worse than Jackie’s...
Chan's inadequate fans have already reached here... They were right about talking about "baby talk", and even adults talk about such nonsense!!! Okay, even 12-year-old children talk nonsense, but for people in their 3s and 4s this is already too much. Moreover. If we take Chan’s largest group in VKontakte, then “the fish rots from the head”... Some admins (including the most important one) urgently need compulsory treatment! Their idolatry of Chan irritates them; they react extremely inadequately to objective (!) criticism. By the way, to some extent I can call myself a fan of Chan; my passion for stunt fighting films began from watching his films. But I don’t consider Jackie some kind of super fighter, acrobat, stuntman, etc. Moreover, I don’t think that he is such a “holy” person; in my opinion, he is quite greedy, proud, and generally a poser, always pulling the “blanket over himself”! He was dubbed many times, even in his youth, and if it weren’t for the most powerful PR company that he does all(!) his own stunts, perhaps he would not have achieved such success, at least in Hollywood! Also, if it weren’t for the colossal support of Golden Harvest, and the chance given to him at one time by Yuen Wu Ping, Ng Xi Yuen and his film company, Chan probably would not have become a world star, and would have continued to be content with films like “Meteora Killers” and “Kill with Intrigue,” or jumping somewhere in the background. Although he has a certain charisma and the ability to “sell” himself... And those who say that Donnie Yen is a sucker are simply idiots who do not understand real action cinema! Donnie's fighting qualities are much stronger than Jackie's; he would have torn him apart in a real fight, in my opinion! If at one time he would have received such support as Chan, perhaps he would not have wasted his talent on films like "Fire Cheetah", but would have long ago become a global superstar like Chan and Jet... Now Donny is almost alone pulls the battle cinema of China!!! But Chan, despite all his “cunning* banality,” also deserved his status, he brought a lot to the hand-to-hand action genre, he is a legend! But as a person, I have recently begun to be more impressed by people like Jet, Sammo Hung, Donny, and many other Hong Kong movie stars! Jackie Chan is like a “soft toy”, his eternal smile seems more and more fake to me, and sometimes with some amount of “idiocy”... And reading the comments of Jackie’s fans, who consider him the best fighter in the world, and the best stuntman, and Doctor of Science, and a 6th grade welder, sometimes it just gets sick... Don't create idols for yourself!!!
Come on guys, the main thing is that they are on the screen. And nothing else matters!
Jackie is definitely great! (By the way, someone said it above, and I’ll correct it: PROJECT A included his trick and Mars from the clock)
He certainly made a big contribution to cinema, just like Donnie, Samo or Jet Li. But the fact remains that for the average viewer Jackie is more famous than these guys! Although they are very cool and authoritative. For example, I really consider it Big Brother in the film industry!
Well, Donnie... who doesn’t know his tough character. He is like that, but at the same time he knows his business well!
Jackie just spun the car so wildly and brought it closest to the average viewer. As Leonid Gaidai did in his time in our comedies!
So he found that very zest.
So Donnie is a flyer?! Just watch films like Cage of the Tiger 2, Fist of Legend, Hot Spot, Ip Man, Stars of Destiny in the end!!! and then declare something!!
“In Jackie’s group they say he’s a loser.” - firstly, they don’t say it, but he says it (only one person said so), there’s no need to generalize.
Secondly, I completely agree that Donnie has the right to his opinion, just as Jackie has the right to promote herself as she wants. He deserved it.
“As for the reaction of the members of Jackie’s group on VKontata to this article, it’s absolutely child’s babble. What they say is true - a person sees in an idol only what he wants to see.”
Show me one comment that could be classified as "baby talk". Very interesting. In my opinion, to all attempts to cast Jackie in a dark light, they answered you quite reasonably, expressed arguments and gave examples.
You contradict yourself when you say that you only tell the truth to everyone =)
Thanks for the article, it was interesting.
It is clear that Jackie did not do everything himself, that he had stuntmen and cables. But he's a mastadon compared to Donnie. Forgive me fans, but I never liked the last one..... for two very simple reasons - he is terribly monotonous in all his films, and if you have seen one film with him, then you have seen them all. The second is the cables... the cables are not like insurance, but the cables are like a “flying plane”. No, I understand some old-school Shaolin trash talk or a parable like “tiger, dragon”..... but when they “fly” where it’s not at all appropriate, then I start to get sick of such “kung fu” . And Donnie is one of the main flyers “where it’s not necessary.”
And I always adored Jackie for the realism of what was happening. Even if they were doubles, even if there was insurance - but it looks real on the screen. For which, by the way, I adore Tony Jaa- his first ong bak and tom yung gang - this is probably the best thing I've seen..... even Jackie is resting. I really hope for a worthy return for Jah.
Oh, and one more thing - I really don’t care who is there and what in life.... a redneck, a liar, a braggart, a PR man, etc. These are actors and stuntmen, so I believe that the only important thing is what happens on the screen - how it is played, stunted and filmed. The rest is their personal business.
PySy This is all purely my personal opinion.
PyPySy Has everyone noticed that Donnie has one stupid trick that wanders from film to film?
I don't understand what "no replacement" means? It depends on what. In fights? So here, to each his own. M.D. for me We like White and Adkins more in terms of fighting, and Jha more in terms of parkour. Those. their replacement has been working successfully for a long time :)
Damn, I’m sitting and reading these comments and I’m freaking out - people, don’t you care?! Well, let them “squabble”/“confront”/“conduct a dialogue” with each other - this is show business, they are adults, they have achieved a lot (we are unlikely to do that), we look up to them, we admire them, in the end - They are one of the first on this stage, let them deal with each other as they wish!
Regarding the tricks, yes - Donnie is more honest and straightforward about them, but he also has a flash of showing off, which is usually (as they say) inherent in Jackie. And that stuntman who writes that he did everything is garbage, Jackie also did a lot of things, for example, “Operation “A” - a stunt performed by Mars ended up in the film, but Jackie also performed it, it was just unsuccessful and therefore they chose a more successful option.
And in general, people, criticism of what you yourself are not strong at is a sign of weakness and complexes. No offense. :)
PS I'm waiting for a barrage of criticism addressed to me. Curious... ;)
I saw, I read, I don’t see the point in proving anything - there are too many not fans/admirers, but “fanatics” whose “shift” button is stuck when writing the memorized phrase “JACKIE DOES ALL THE COMPLEX TRICKS BY HIMSELF!!!” (i.e. he doesn’t do simple tricks? Is that how it works? ;) )
"The dog barks - the caravan moves on." Do not pay attention. Those who call Donny a sucker probably haven’t even seen a third of his films.
“White and fluffy” people do not exist, and this also applies to Jackie, despite all his charitable activities, which often save him from paying a lot of taxes.
The article is quite old, from 2007. After that, Jackie had so many ropes/ropes/wires in the simplest places that there are simply no comments, with all due respect to him.
PS Take the same Tony Jaa. If someone shows/proves to me that he used a double, then so be it. I will not prove the opposite with foam at the mouth. It was - it was.
I agree that Donnie is a sucker:) In general, he’s already become impudent.
In the group Jackie is said to be a loser.
They say that Donnie is a sucker... If you haven't seen the films, keep quiet.
I simply cannot cope with this horde due to the number being equal to me alone, due to my age and difficult character. Otherwise, I can express my opinion to anyone so that any of you will turn and leave. That's why I don't have many friends, to tell the truth. (A lonely girl, misunderstood in the family, is looking for a hamster for intimate conversations. Write to ICQ 100500 and Stalina soap@navas.net) XD
I’m a fan of Sammo, but I try to see in Sammo only what it really is. They write about Jackie that he is the kindest, most honest... No one is perfect. He also doesn’t have the best traits, and Sammo also has them, and me, and my neighbor in the area, and all the members of the group Jackie and Sammo, except for children and pregnant women.))) You need to think soberly. Thank you for the article, it brought me a lot of discussions and experience in communicating with captivated fans.
In my opinion, Jackie Chan simply has amazing charisma + luck, which made him a star. I'm not disparaging his fighting and stunt skills, but in many ways there are people who are far superior to him. For example, Yuan Biao is one of those who performed most of the complex tricks and filigree kicks for Chan. Or for example, Chin Kar Lok. These guys just didn’t have enough luck, or maybe some pressure... And at one time, old man Jackie actually declared that he did all the tricks himself. And I even took offense at him for this, knowing that it was not true and there is evidence of this :) And yet, despite everything that I wrote above - he is a genius and a Master - he is a living Legend!! :)
And Donny has a similar character to me.))) If we met, we would definitely become friends.
As for the reaction of the members of Jackie’s VKontat group to this article, it’s just baby talk. What they say is true - a person sees in an idol only what he wants to see. Uncle San, have you seen the comments yet? )))) There is something to read there.
If Jackie has the right to PR, then Donnie has every right to criticize. I agree that he almost always said what he thought. He does not hide the fact that he uses doubles and is not ashamed of it. He said correctly: you shouldn’t pretend to be a superhero (remember Conan Lee with his trick on the flagpole).
And an injury on set is not an indicator of skill, but an indicator that the stunt was unsuccessful. I don't see anything to be proud of here. Now, if the most difficult trick is performed without a single scratch, then it’s a completely different matter...
I think this Donny takes on a lot...who is he anyway? And Jackie has the right to promote herself)
Old school students will always be held in high esteem.))
First of all, I want to say thank you for such an interesting article. As for the understudies, of course, no one had any doubt that even such actors as Jackie were sometimes replaced by understudies if necessary, but compared to how many extremely complex stunts he himself performed (remember especially the films of the 80s), then forgive me ...
As for receivers, I don’t see a single worthy receiver yet, with the possible exception of Tony Jaa, this man really made everyone talk about him, without PR, without comp. graphics, but only action. but no more, no matter how you look at it. When will the decline of Chan, Lee and Ian come, and this is just around the corner for 3-5 years at most, and who will we look at with admiration? I have great doubts that this genre will survive at all, everything has changed so much. =(
Jackie is a huge man! He is the first to move from old Chinese films to more modern ones, with a huge number of stunts and so on. He made himself and has the right to “promote” himself wherever and however he wants - his contribution to cinema is much greater than Donny’s, that’s a fact. As for the tricks, for me this is not the main thing in this person and it doesn’t matter whether he did them himself or not! And besides, there are a huge number of films in which he did the stunts himself and received serious injuries, there are a lot of examples - Rumble in the Bronx, Armor of God, etc.
Well, actually, he said more than once that he did all the stunts, and added - why deceive the audience? )))
Let's face it - Jackie hides a lot from us, but we will probably learn these secrets only after his death, sorry for the unfoundedness. But one thing is clear - he was always competing with everyone, trying to make a name for himself. Again, I use Sammo as an example. Surely, without roughly speaking, “stepping on corpses,” he could not have made a name for himself? Sammo glorified himself and others. If Mars had been on Sammo's stunt team, he would definitely have become a movie legend, but few people remember him like that now.
Donny said, as if he were blunt: I’m not Jackie, who thoroughly and systematically “promotes” himself on TV.
He speaks the truth. But, however, you can open a school without PR, as Sammo did.
Here's a strange thing... Jackie Chan never positioned himself as a performer of all his tricks, he physically could not have done it. And does this make sense? He was positioned as the first bright all-rounder. The man who built creativity on the core of stunt cinema, unprecedented in films about BI, he was also the director of these stunts, the actor who personified it. He treats himself in a way that few “stars” can afford. In the same "Struck by Lightning" stunt doubles were used in almost all the fight scenes, because before that, on the set of "Rumble in the Bronx", he seriously injured his ankle. This is a known fact, no one hides it (in addition, it is noticeable in the film). And the fact that, as Donnie Yen put it: Jackie “thoroughly and systematically promotes herself on TV.” , only says that Jackie can afford it. Especially at his age. His influence and contribution to martial arts cinema is incomparably higher than Donny’s.