"Ip Man 3" - this is a certain rehabilitation after the disastrous second part, which was more of a vulgar textbook on the ideological education of Chinese schoolchildren than a film, and the main character in it appeared not as a person, not as a three-dimensional character whom we saw in the amazing first part, but as a flat machine of destruction a- la Steven Seagal.
The mistake of the creators, in my opinion, was in trying to overly mythologize Ip Man, making him an unmistakable triumph of Chinese martial arts, and this deprived him of his individuality. If in the first part there were only the beginnings of the process of creating an artistic myth, and rather moderate and organic ones, then later this process became less and less artistic. In this regard, the third part somewhat suspended this process, but the credit for this primarily belongs to the character of Ip Man's wife - Chun Wing Sing, performed by the actress Lynn Hong, which greatly enriched the franchise. In the third part, her role is the strongest acting work in the film among all the other participants.
Ip Man himself, unfortunately, seemed to have lost his former wisdom, his inherent dramatic restraint and depth. From the screen I no longer felt the energy coming from it. In the first part, through his ascetic manifestations of emotions, the storm that was happening inside him was visible. You could see every difficult choice he makes, every experience. The viewer understood that the hero is not steely, but, as is typical for many strong people, a very sentimental and sensitive person who is responsible for the strength that he has.
In the third part, I don’t always see the choices he makes, instead I see how he just fights.
It will seem paradoxical and funny what I will now say about a kung fu film reviewed on a site about martial arts in cinema, but in the third film the character of Ip Man fights too much. The second part was just some kind of parody and a collection of terrible cliches, it's all over. And “Ip Man 3” looks much better, but has a touch of some kind of mechanicalness in the narrative.
We have a very linear main line: Ip Man, as a reliable hero of heroes, protects a secondary school from a criminal business, whose leader is neither in the village nor in the city Mike Tyson, sitting on the stool guarding the entrance all day long. The police, of course, are mired in corruption and helplessness under the yoke of foreign bosses. To be honest, the premise is pretty funny. In this line, Ip Man mainly fights.
In parallel we have a character Max Zhang, who wants to become the main representative of Wing Chun. The character, unfortunately, is very underdeveloped in terms of volume and character.
Also, an important plot link is Ip Man’s family history: his relationship with his wife.
The first two lines show Ip Man as a fighter and a worthy person (we are talking about a positive example for generations). The last line is aimed specifically at the dramaturgy of the character.
If we talk about the fighting game, then, from the point of view of choreography, it is exactly the same as you saw in the previous parts. With minimal changes - there is more footwork in the lower and middle tier, a little more cables, doubles are more noticeable. Cables are naturally present, where would we be without them, in some places they are quite tolerable, but in others they are very annoying, especially in falls.
Ip Man's massive fights are quite sweeping, but their main drawback is monotony. In general, there is no real qualitative progress in choreography. The same applies to the camera work and the approach to editing fights.
In general, I still consider the best fight to be the fight from the first part of the film: Ip Man against a crowd of Japanese for a bag of potatoes (of course, not so much for potatoes). Despite the fact that the opponents were often presented on an assembly line, the fight had choreographic precision and, most importantly, a very strong dramaturgy, supported by correct editing, music, acting by everyone involved in the scene and the context of the fight: the setting, the situation, previous events.
In the third part, a similar approach implied a battle against the crowd to save his son. But at some point I just got distracted and stopped paying attention. There wasn't enough suspense, there wasn't enough emotion, there wasn't enough tension. And some choreographic splashes. Everything is very monotonous and sterile.
By the way, regarding sterility, I understand that the rating is for children, but when not a single drop of blood is shed throughout the entire film, this is already some kind of ballet.
If we talk about one-on-one fights, it's Ip Man vs Mike Tyson's funny character, Ip Man vs Thai elevator fighter and Ip Man vs Max Zhang's character.
In the fight with Tyson, there was an attempt to create a dramaturgy of the fight based on the differences between the fighters and try to increase the dynamics based on the counter with a clock and the counter with elbows (to put it mildly, not very original, but quite justified, but breaking glass with fists was completely unnecessary). And in principle, this fight is addictive to watch, however, Tyson plays very poorly and he clearly lacks experience in film fights. But it was the difference in styles that made this fight more or less interesting.
As for the fight in the elevator, its main drawback is probably that Ip Man's opponent showed himself very poorly: there are few tricks and stylistic features. And why, tell me, was it necessary to film the kicks from an overhead angle? So that you don't understand what's going on? Plus completely unnecessary cables. And the small space of the elevator cabin was played out rather poorly; one could come up with a lot of other things, except that Ip Man constantly covered his wife, who, by the way, could hit her with her bag once. And a blow to the head with a woman's bag is worse than Mike Tyson's fist.
The advantages of this battle include very high dynamics and the constant movement of heroes down the stairs. This added rhythm and some spatial effect to the battle.
In the fight with Max Zhang, I didn’t remember anything at all, although from a technical point of view it was well done: various weapons, intense tempo, rather long takes, the skill of the fighters is at its best, the classic Wing Chun elements of “lap sao” and “chi sao” are demonstrated, to give authenticity. But everything looks somehow without immersion. The final fight of young Ip Man in Ip Man: Birth of a Legend, despite the crazy number of cables, in my opinion, looked much more interesting.
And yet, the common problem with all the fights in this film is the lack of contact. Despite the speed and high frequency of movements, the battles are similar to sparring, the heroes sometimes hit, sometimes they don’t hit.
Separately, it is worth noting the character of Bruce Lee (performed by Danny Chan), which is included in the film with Ip Man in a somewhat clumsy form. But the main disadvantage is not the distorted historical truth, but the fact that it turned out to be a very clumsy parody of the Little Dragon. A deliberate attempt to make a visual similarity led to an exaggerated, grimacing and stupid Bruce. That is, in the frame you can see that a film character is sitting next to him, and an actor who is portraying Bruce in a look-alike competition or the “One to One” program is communicating with him. Too much “pretense” makes the reality of what is happening very lost.
If we talk about dramaturgy, then the line with the wife is the best thing in the film. Lynn Hong created a very good image, and if Donnie Yen lost his Ip Man, then she retained her Chun Wing Sing. This is not to say that it is perfectly woven into the narrative; many things are done schematically, but still it greatly raises the bar of the film.
Despite the fact that the review may seem negative, overall the film left a calm, even impression: it is much better than the last action films with Donnie in the title role and certainly better than the second part. Ip Man is perhaps the best image that Donnie created in his entire film career and he is given the great honor of continuing to carry this hero further.
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I did look.
Well, the film is better than the second part. This is already good. But I am dissatisfied with the shortcomings of the film, which have already been mentioned a lot in the comments and the review itself: unnecessary cables, Tyson’s stupid drain, sagging of the narrative in the middle of the film, tired Donnie, insufficiently developed character of Max Zhang, lack of tension.
What is good about the film is definitely Lynn Hong and her acting performances. Interestingly, Donny looks very good with her in dramatic scenes. Then Max Zhang is a stylish and cool actor who, despite his age, I hope still has everything ahead of him. The fight with the Thai is quite good.
The rest was somehow not remembered. All in all, not a bad film and a worthy continuation of the franchise. Although everything could be much better, of course.
Incidentally, another solution for “Ip Man 3” (and it contains links to reviews of the first and second parts) from just a movie lover (including action films).
Wave,
He's an expert, lol... I don't know what kind of idiot you have to be to not understand that the rope on the "half-meter parapet" is solely for the purpose of smooth "entries" and "descents", almost like a bird, if you like , in an intelligent Ip Man style. It wasn’t dangerous or difficult, but Donnie Yen couldn’t jump or jump off that parapet like in Hot Spot, it would have... looked strange within the character, wouldn’t it?
And Christmas trees, let him buy glasses))) There were no doubles in this scene. Massive (and not only) battle scenes are generally usually filmed from above... expert, Christmas trees.
LalY,
Bydlyatsky is not bydlyatsky - the harsh tone of the review, this is one of the options - to hack away at the truth. I myself planned to write here in this style - I chose the style of presentation in the middle. But I would have refrained from swearing, yes.
uranium,
What, what? Oh, what other truth is this, lol, WHERE?))) There is no logical grain at all to somehow digest this... text.
The truth may be here, for example, in this review, which is above. Everything is imho (after all, we all write only imho), but supported by arguments, and therefore interesting to read and argue too.
There is nothing there other than swearing... well, except an attempt to play sarcasm, which again is at the level of approachable humor.
After reading his... ahem... "review" of the first film, I was convinced that I was right. This is not worth attention, much less discussion. It’s just really bombing from such “critics”.
LalY,
What I mean is that a person does not hold back his emotions and says what he thinks head-on, without hiding obscenities behind ornate turns of phrase.
But I agree that he describes it in a biased and indetailed way. If you think that the film is bad, isolate it from the viewer by saying where it is the worst.
Wave,
It’s not clear why such an openly... bullshit review should be given a link here at all.
LalY, for example, because I mostly agree with this review. The film has a strange and broken storyline with Tyson. Ip Man's ambiguous choice of priorities: a dying wife or a fight for the title of champion. Wing chun against the crowd doesn't feel deadly - it's as if Donnie is walking and brushing off the oncoming crowd - and they fly away and fall. It’s not Seagal-style yet, but it’s far from what it was in Flash Point. The final battle, although super technical, also does not feel at all like furious and uncompromising. Like in that review: Predictably, Donnie didn't even break a sweat. The cables are out of place.
Oh, yes, I don’t know what kind of idiot you have to be so that wuxia flights (even at half a meter heights this time) could be mistaken for something even remotely related to realism. This is a direct statement that a fairy tale is being shown. It was only worse in the second part, when Sammo Hungg jumped on the table.
The only thing I don’t want to argue about is the understudies, because I myself haven’t considered frame by frame where the understudy is and where the real hero is. But, by the way, the view from above was not only in the crowd. Even in a fight with a Thai boxer, for example.
Wave,
I didn't like the review at all.
In general, the camera and the operator were suspended on cables right under the ceiling))) And the operator flew at different angles and calmly filmed...
Cheap and cheerful!)) And no taps are needed. They probably do this in every movie. Apparently I’ve seen too much behind-the-scenes videos of Hollywood films with their technology)) Therefore, this method really surprised me).
LalY,
About hanging: This method has been practiced since ancient times and there is nothing surprising here.
You don't need to be a rocket scientist to understand from camera angles how it was filmed.
It's not about HOW and WHAT it was filmed. The main thing is the result. You can have incredible technical capabilities and remove garbage. Also vice versa. It’s strange that you know Hong Kong cinema with Donny (and probably not only with him), but you are surprised by such simple things that are taken for granted in this industry. The Chinese have always done this, unlike Hollywood. Take away their cart and they won’t know how to work.
Jaidev,
Well, you are our expert))) Who said... “wherever they put the camera, that’s where it filmed”, lol)
For me, this is the Stone Age) I always liked the camera work in Hong Kong movies, but I didn’t know that the method of filming was so primitive and at the same time so effective) And no cranes for you)
And from the angles it looks very similar to Hollywood cranes.
p.s. Just don’t talk about the 80s and Jackie Chan again, PLEASE!)
LalY,
Certainly an expert. Because I myself work in the action industry, and not just blah blah blah... wagging my tongue.
So why not...
Right. “Wherever they put the camera, that’s where it was filmed.” There were also such moments. As well as the fact that NOT THE WHOLE FILM IS SHOOTED WITH CABLES, TROLLEYS and RAILS. This is a no brainer.
BUT it’s not enough to remove it well, you also need to mount it as needed. In this regard, Asians know a lot about it, unlike Hollywood.
And what does Jackie Chan have to do with it? Although he knows a lot about those. process, unlike the same Donny (rewatched BALLISTIC KISS the other day. Well, the man’s head was a mess. Although there was definitely style. This is a +. Due to the peculiar light and wide-angle lenses with abundant large parts)
Jaidev,
Make your own movie, action industry worker)))
By the way, how do you think the final scene was filmed? I saw a behind-the-scenes video with a cameraman... no, well, maybe this is normal for Hong Kong, but this is the first time I’ve seen this, I must admit)))) Very cool))
LalY,
An immodest question - what exactly are you seeing for the first time?
Jaidev,
What's so complicated? O_o
You don’t know what we’re talking about))) I’m talking about EXACTLY HOW this scene was filmed. Well, at least some points, of course.
Wow, what a heated discussion! Since there is a struggle “for” and “against”, it means the film was definitely a success. ;) I'll put in my 5 cents. )
I don’t like reading reviews and film critics in general (I probably mention this often ;)), but I read the current review. ) I was looking forward to the film myself, but I didn’t expect anything like that from it. So I will probably describe my opinion more calmly than some others. )
I don’t agree with all the conclusions about the film, but in general I am of the same opinion. Yes - the first "Ip Man" is beyond competition, yes - the second is almost a failure and... The third turned out to be very good. )
Well, first of all, of course, the dramatic line of the film caught my attention - as an actor, Donny certainly has a lot to learn, but I still empathized. Family drama is a strong part of this film, although that may be due to my emotional side as both a husband and a father.
I won’t write anything about camera work and editing, that’s what Dmitry is for (Jaidev) and others. ;) Although the fight scene with the Thai boxer, shot from above, is not entirely clear to me.
Revealing the character is also not my thing - Donnie has a lot to learn, but I agree with many that in the first part he was very good!
Fights, fights, fights... What can you say - you can invent and write a lot of things, but still we watch such films for the sake of fights! Why did we watch Jackie Chan - for the fights and stunts! What is memorable in Tony Jaa's films is, of course, the fights! What’s good about Adkins is that he demonstrates excellent technique in battles! Naturally, the image of a movie fighter and emotional mood, coupled with charisma, are very important, but speaking about such movie fighters as Donnie Yen (as well as Jaa and Edinks - since I mentioned them), I think there’s no need to talk about this - he has it all !
Let's begin. )
The first fights, group ones... It seemed to me that Donny was not very convincing in them: there is technique, there is excellent execution, but then there is no sense of contact, the rhythm of the fight is wrong. How is that? Group battles for my son were already more interesting, although there were, let’s say, boring moments. Sometimes the eye caught the fact that the opponents were flying away too much. ) Nevertheless, they got me into a fighting spirit. ;)
The fight with the Thai boxer was nothing new. Well executed, better communication. The view from above, as I wrote, is incomprehensible to me. The fight in the elevator could have been more realistic. The cables are noticeable, but so what - this is not a problem for me, I know how to skip what doesn’t matter.
But still - all these fights look good, performed at a high level - in general, I enjoyed it.
Let's move on to more interesting fights.
The fight with Tyson - well, I don’t know what to say. But I was expecting a little something from this fight. Something interesting, something catchy! The fight is good, but it’s still Donnie Yen and Michael Tyson! Although the fight itself can already be watched and gone nuts just because of Tyson - damn, it’s Tyson! Tyson vs Donnie Yen! Or vice versa! And I agree with those who believe that this character is somehow clumsily inserted into the plot. But for the sake of the fight, I think we can forgive this. )
The fight with Max Zhang's hero... I really liked it! More than with Tyson and, moreover, more than with the rest of the others. Yes, there are cables - so what! They are not so noticeable, but the fight has drive, rhythm and excellent execution, coupled with a demonstration of the basic Wing Chun technique (by the way, I myself practiced this style for about 3 years). And the emotional component of the actors is at its best! I really enjoyed this fight. By the way, some write that in battles, Max Zhang’s hero is more convincing than Donia. I strongly disagree - perhaps Max Zhang's character is more charismatic during movie fights, but he is far from Donny in terms of demonstrating fighting skills. In all of Donny’s movements one can feel his experience and excellent technique: shoulders, hips, the blows themselves - everything reveals him as a master. This is not the case in Max Zhang's movements, or rather, it looks like very well-learned movements. And I also noticed that what he shows with his feet is better than what he shows with his hands. Something like this. ) But the weapons are very good for Max Zhang, especially the butterfly knives. In general, the weapons in this fight are shown just fine, the butterfly fight is just super! By the way, I don’t remember any on-screen battles a la “butterflies” against “butterflies”.
In my opinion - a great final fight and that's it!
Bruce really was shown to be a crook here. ) But I somehow took it calmly - it means it was necessary. )
The bottom line: a great movie! Maybe not a 5, but definitely not a 4. :)
Dmitry, your phrase is not entirely clear: “IP MAN 3 teaches - don’t do martial arts, the cable and the computer will do everything for you! Don’t give a damn about your loved ones, and take hold of them when they are threatened with death!” Just please don't get me started on old Jackie Chan films. ;) And yet, is your phrase literally completely dismissing Donnie Yen’s combat experience and technique, or did you want to say something else? ;)
PS I haven't been on this site for a long time. )
JVR™,
Thank you! Just a simple human thank you))))
JVR™,
Good review Johnny! From the heart.
Let me explain my phrase about computers.
When I watch an old movie...say, Bruce Lee, I have a wild need to urgently run to the gym. Even if I was already there this morning. Or for example after ONG BAK. I see real power and enthusiasm. This captivates me. And I am always FOR professionalism! The cables are needed for some effect, but not for people floating in the air. Unless, of course, these are not Wusya epics.
Remember the legendary IRON MONKEY and CAGE OF THE TIGER 2 as Donnie hit his triple with the splits. And we all took it at face value. It's cool and it still looks! Second per second. They knew where and how to slow down if necessary.
Phrase - Spit on your loved ones.....
I didn't like what Ip Man's wife wanted to say about what was bothering her about her health. And this was felt in their relationship, and Ip Man simply wandered about his business without hearing her. How so?
For me, such things are very important. When people live together, and especially when they are as sensitive as Ip Man, clearly such indifference should not happen. And only when he found out that she had an illness did he begin to listen. How is that? You don’t tell me anything, that means everything is ok! Oh, you have a problem! Well now I'm with you!!! What is he, a moron? It sounds impudent, but I was absolutely outraged by the moment when my wife wanted to say something, but he turned around and popped! Well how is that???
But again, let me emphasize, the relationship line was head and shoulders above everything else, physical. In conclusion about the physical. It's about Donny's combat experience. Of course it exists and if you don’t drink it, you won’t lose. I was confused by the delivery of his punches. It seems that all his opponents urgently needed to act in another movie in a dance number, where their faces were present in close-ups and knowledge of dance was required. And Donnie seemed to say - well, let me hit you at 40%, not 90%. It was obvious. Moreover, this was noticed by many who watched this movie.
I noticed one more thing. The tempo of fights in modern cinema has been lost due to chaotic camera work and editing. Previously, all films were made according to the same cliché and were varied only in choreography, and a little filming (Tsui Hark, John Woo) and everything was clear and competent, which created an already defined picture. Now it has disappeared somewhere.
And I agree with the final fight. This was the best action in this movie!
Jaidev,
Dmitry, I agree that in the modern world of cinema, computer visual effects have become a part of not only science fiction films, but even films with martial arts. And I don't like it either. But if we talk specifically about this film, I would not say that the cables filled the whole action. Well yes, they exist. Maybe they stand out more in the first half, but damn, the fight with Tyson and the fight with Zhang’s hero are real! After all, only some jumps and falls were closed with cables. There are no cable superkicks in the jump and no exchange of blows in the air (this is really due to the style of the fight :)). Those. I want to say that in this film they did not play any significant role, because of which one could say - well, they ruined everything with cables. Personally, I didn’t notice this - I was absorbed in the fights! )
As for old films, I already said - yes, it happened! It was great! Of course we are reviewing it! But this probably won’t happen again, at least from Donny - after all, he’s already over fifty dollars. ) And I also try to look at what is now, and not at what was. It is necessary, as they say, to give a discount for age, and for a different world and a different approach...
In my opinion, there is an analogy here with the fact that you (you, me - it doesn’t matter) could once do something yourself, but now you can’t and just say - but then, I could do this and that something, but I can’t right now. And, let’s say, continue to sit on the couch, instead of continuing to do something - what you can and what works out. The main thing is that you do and try! And I'm sure Donnie tried. And he did it very well! Even despite the cables and doubles.
This is an abstract description, but I think you understand what I mean. )
As for the plot - I won’t even get into this jungle, I already said - I watch such films for the sake of fights! ;) Yes, of course, everything is noticed: the plot, the acting and everything else. But for me the main thing is the fights. This is the main weight for evaluating such films. If I want to watch a drama, then I'll watch some movie like "Braveheart" or something else. Well, if after the film I want to train, then everything worked out for them. :) I wanted to work out at 3 am. )
As for the “delivery of his blows,” in my opinion this only applies to the first half of the film - I wrote about this earlier and here above. But the final battle is very contact, rhythmic and “real”. If you believe in pole fighting, you believe that they are “beating”. Almost like in "Rickshaw" between Sammo Hungg and Liu Jialian (although probably not, this is the best pole fight in my opinion). Yes, there used to be something that doesn’t exist now... It was... But it’s gone. We must move on with our lives. ) And still Donnie is good, damn good!
And in general, I see it this way - the blurry battles at the beginning were very well closed with an excellent last fight! And period! :)
PS It just so happens that I rarely watch films with BI these days. Last time it was Kung Fu Jungle. That's why I'm not at all spoiled by on-screen battles. This probably influences my opinion. )
JVR™,
Based on your tip, I rewatched the fight on poles from a RICKSHAW. Damn cool! Not a single complaint. Filming, editing, energy, action - everything is cool!!!
I also watched the fight between Sammo and Wu Jing from DEATH STEP. There were several moments where I said - Oh wow! From the series when we watch films with Seagal, when he breaks bones and all that.
Still, Sammo feels the influence of Bruce and his toughness. And of course his stunt energy, when he HIT and FALLED! I hope in BODYGUARD we will see at least a piece of real drive.
Jaidev,
I agree, the fight between Sammo and Wu in this movie is good! The dynamics and sense of realism of the battle are captivating. Sammo's understudies were a little tense, but Wu showed an excellent technique in using the "jian". Damn it, I love "jian". )
JVR™,
By the way, about the cables. At the last Hong Kong Film Awards, the prize for action choreography was taken by... SPL 2, where 40-year-old men in a MODERN action movie flew on wires like in wuxia, lol. The best choreography... God, does anyone else think that that film is really better? Horror.
LalY,
This is where I will support you!!! Because the mess that was going on in SPL 2 is OUTSTANDING!!!
By the choreography itself, and by its execution. And I won’t say anything about the cameraman and editor. BUT on the other hand, maybe there was no one to give it last year?
LalY,
))) Believe it or not, I haven’t watched it yet, although I’ve heard about it and watched the trailers. Maybe I’ll take a look during the May holidays and report back. I have a couple of other films in the pipeline now - Adkins should be checked out in a couple of films. )
Ravenside and Jaidev, guys! Have you seen the second season of Daredevil? Sorry, this is off topic, I'm just interested in your opinion. There is enough fighting and martial arts elements in the series. I would like a review) You judge quite harshly, especially with regards to fights and camera work with editing. It would be great to read.
freestyler,
Unfortunately, and maybe fortunately (because I try to watch new movies as little as possible), I haven’t seen this series. But... I watched the fragment with the fight.
The first feeling was that we were chasing “One shot without editing.” But in my opinion there were several gluings in the dark. So it turns out that the swing didn’t hit.
By the fight itself.
There were a couple of good moments, but nothing more. Fighting and brawling with attacks in turns. I didn’t see any particular interest or any danger factor. By the second minute I lost interest in this scene altogether, but I watched until the end.
Camera work.
Very mediocre. There was no light at all, and what was in the frame in the background and surrounding area apparently didn’t really bother anyone either.
I thought - maybe I’m some kind of creepy, always dissatisfied snob???
I took TOM YUM GONG from the shelf and watched the famous passage in the restaurant. Class!!!
The cameraman took a wide-angle lens (I think 16) and masterfully captured everything beautifully. The light has very interesting tones. Either bright yellow and fiery orange, then icy blue. Looks good.
From time to time, while watching it, my mind would say, “Wow!” Lots of spectacular tricks and finds.
Definitely a unique scene that I will watch more than a dozen times.
Well done Tony and Panna (Peace to his ashes and tribute to his personality), as well as the stuntmen and cameraman!!!
I heard that this scene was filmed the 3rd time. Who knows if this is true?
Jaidev,
Well, I see, thanks for the rating. True, the scene that strom posted is not the best thing in the series) There are scenes there that are more powerful.
freestyler,
Quite a revealing scene. Heavy and tooth-breaking. In Daredevil, all the action is done pretty much like this.
But I just watched the pilot episode of Rush Hour yesterday. It was sad. Although the series seems to be a comedy. You know, I’m not a fan of the movie “Rush Hour,” and I didn’t expect much from the series. But even my modest expectations were not met.
freestyler,
The problem with many films, especially modern ones, is that they fight and fight. Everything is like everyone else. And many, seeing another stuffing, say - Wow, that’s cool! I judge a little differently. I'm interested in all the components - the idea, the execution, the cameraman, the editing.
Now people are waiting for a new UNDIPUTIBLE thing, but I’m not interested in it. Why? Because there are only fights essentially. And clean fights are usually the same everywhere. Especially with Scott. I repeat once again - we saw the peak of his “fizuki” in AMERICAN SPECIAL FORCES and UNDISPUTEABLE 2. This is not Jackie Chan, who comes up with interesting situations.
BUT...!!! There is one BUT!
They can try in unusual choreography, which will evoke emotions and the question - Oh, how did he do that!??? But I am sure that this is a completely different story, and not in this life.
freestyler,
I gave up right away - I haven’t watched a single episode of a single season.
ok, so hype I can imagine what will happen when “Boko 4” comes out)
what are you doing, well, there are trots, but that’s not wuxia yet
but the second slowly walking tiger turned off right out of the blue at 30 minutes.
I’m not against cables, but it’s not like the opponents are flying like birds through the air, and what’s disappointing is that in the same matrix from the same director all the flights looked realistic, if I may say so
Gorelov,
“But the second slowly walking tiger, right out of the gate, turned off at 30 minutes.”
I fell asleep on DRAGON-Tiger 5 times!!! And even at the much-advertised “ice battle.” A terrible film for show. The same cannot be said about the first part or about the same HERO, where the flights were logically justified.
MATRIX - Yes! Cool! Especially the first one! But that’s why it’s THE MATRIX, because there you can do whatever you want with the cables. The unreal world is mine.
I watched Ip Man 3 - my verdict is “Good” - better than the 2nd part, where, according to the plot, Donnie barely defeated Shahlavi. Drama was present in the line with Ip Man's wife - it counts!
I liked the fights with Tyson and the Thai boxer, although it wasn’t worth filming from above! It actually looks unspectacular! Especially if the fighters throw high kicks and the cameraman films from above (((
As for falls with cables, the 2000s are no longer the 1980s; stuntmen apparently don’t want to fall realistically. Now in China there is a fashion for wuxia action films, where the heroes fly like butterflies (((Jet Li has always sinned with this.
In terms of the quality of the film, Ip Man 3 turned out to be much better than the crude Kung Fu Jungle.
The best, i.e. combative, Donnie Yen is On Performance 4 and Cage of the Tiger 2 for me!
For me, this film has a bad story composition. Somehow, it seems like the whole plot, the whole story is moving like a single ribbon, but at the same time for some reason it’s falling apart. By God, it was a shame that Tyson was made the semi-final boss. Donny simultaneously defends the school and learns about his wife’s illness - it seems that everything would come together at one point... But, no, after this climax there is another climax with a new challenger challenging the champion. Or I’ll even put it another way: they expected Tyson to commit villainy, but he ate the little siskin.
Bad fights. Especially group ones. Mechanical, conveyor belt, slow (individual movements may be fast, but the overall dynamics are slow). The force in the blows is not felt at all, and the opponents fall on the ropes in a very unrealistic way. And this is not wuxia. Wuxia is when fighters fly. And here it would be the same, but with realistic falls - it would be a different conversation.
I liked the fights with the Thai and Tyson, but more in contrast to the rest. Moreover, it was the Thai and Tyson who liked it, and not Donnie. In the first two films there was an interesting, technical and powerful wing chun, but here the wing chun is something like in light contact sparring. Thai and Tyson at least bring variety and force Donnie to move and react somehow differently.
In general, the best Donnie Yen for me is “SPL”, “Flash point” and “Ip Man” the first. All. It was Yen Peak.
The good parts of the film were mentioned above. I agree.
Wave,
Mind you, this is a problem with many (if not almost all) modern films. Now the plot is a series of scenes glued together by editing. The interdependence of one scene on another or cause-and-effect relationships are now very rare. As a last resort, if the creator sees that well.. everything is just really bad, they come up with some kind of plot crutch, like Agent 007’s wristwatch with a bomb, which saves him at the most necessary moment.
To create a good movie you need a crazy BI fan with a smart cameraman, editor and the desire to make high-quality action. All! This is the main thing! As for the scripts... the brilliant Buster Keaton generally made films without a script! And it's still the best.
but I understand, he was in love with cinema!
Yesterday we watched a movie on a 4 x 6m movie screen. Friends have the same reaction. The components seem to be good, but somehow crooked! The fight with Tyson is full of cables and special effects with glass. We sorted it out frame by frame. Average.
Celebrated hero Max Zhang. He definitely stood out better than Donnie.
The one who had the most cables and the opponents flew off on the same cables most often)) class))))))
LalY,
But here’s just a question for the opponents. They flew away. But it’s clear that he was more convincing in punches than Donnie. Especially in the “reporting scene of winning recognition” and the “night fight” at the school.
As for Donnie's acting....remembered all his roles. He never played anything particularly outstanding. So I don’t think it’s worth expecting games from him. As for the character IP MAN, he fits Donnie's type perfectly. You can't take anything away from here. It is what it is.
Jaidev,
My comrade facepalm...
Number times. Comrade Max doesn’t know how to work without cables at all. It just so happened. And to compare him with such a master as Ian, excuse me, is insanity. More persuasive IN WHAT SENSE? Tougher? Well, he is more assertive and cruel, due to his character, yes. So, what is next? The character Samo in the second part was also tougher... It depends on the character.
Now to ALL Donnie Yen's roles. Which ones? Comparing the role in Hot Spot and Ip Man is heaven and earth in general. Although at the point there was no need to play much, yes, but the image is so tough. Moreover, Ip Man is his exception. Although the role fits perfectly. He has a role in Swordsmen, a role in Bodyguards and Assassins, in Kung Fu Jung... and even in the disastrous Special I.D. he is completely different. Monkey King! Facial expressions and habits of a monkey. Ian wasn't visible there at all. In the comedy All's well that ends well... with this parody of Leontyev))) Let's not talk about the actor here. He's certainly not DeNiro, obviously))) But for an action actor, he has very diverse acting skills. Moreover, he is equally convincing both in brutal roles and in intelligent ones, both in the roles of good guys or heroes and in negative ones.
By type... he always had the type of a hot spot, basically. And Ip Man gave him the opportunity to show himself as an actor, to show the other side...
LalY,
I understand that you judge by the works of recent years? Or am I wrong? Because I didn’t hear at all the famous terms - DRUNKEN TAI CHI, ONCE UPON A TIME IN CHINA 2, AT THE PERFORMANCE 4, CAGE OF THE TIGER 2, director’s works - LEGEND OF THE WOLF and BALLISTIC KISS... when we began to remember Donny’s acting.
But.
I feel that you are a newbie who is simply captured by exciting emotions. Well... that's allowed too! Why not. We are all different and judge from our own bell tower. This is probably normal...who knows.
But then the degree of competence, or vice versa, ignorance, in BI films becomes different.
I know guys who say that Rush Hour and the Forbidden Kingdom with The Karate Kid are cool, but when asked - PROJECT A, YOUNG MASTER, POLICE STORY, SNEAKER ON WHEELS - have you seen it? They answer - What is this???
It's about the same story here. Especially with cables to “soften falls”. By God, kindergarten.
As a Donny movie lover, I understand! And I even support it. Like those young fans of Shah Rukh Khan who declare that every new film of his is the peak of coolness. Although his most dramatic aerobatics took place in 1992-97! Then it’s either a copy or a tendency towards consumer goods.
Jaidev, let's walk along the first row of the kapsluk))))
I actually watched ALL of his films. Well, except for the Chronicles of Huadu, because there is something really bad there and something that cannot be found even on the Internet)) And that’s all. Plus the series where he played Chen Zhen (terrible, by the way, in terms of quality). I haven’t seen another one with Michelle yet, he sings the title song there. I like his early works, when he was still a boy. But he is more in a comedic vein (speaking of the monotonous actor, Ian, lol). I was pretty surprised when an article was published on a Chinese website saying that the film Odd Couples is the first hip-hop movie (with elements of hip-hop) in the history of Chinese cinema))) In Once Upon a Time in China 2, I just saw their fight with Jet and remembered. He's amazing there, of course. Or in Iron Monkey, incredibly technical. In all these action films, like Cell... he actually played the same role, only the fights were slightly different, but it was a little boring. BUT his directorial debut amazed me to the core. A very unusual job. Absolutely mind-blowing, especially considering that the film was shot almost at an amateur level, with a script written on the knee. He also installed it himself. But this was a time when no one would just give you money to make a movie... Nowadays it’s much easier. The kiss is much worse, but there are interesting moments and even some interesting discoveries. Although I do not deny that I am that girl with hearts in her eyes in relation to Donnie Yen)) but I can also adequately evaluate the object of my admiration)) For example, in Seven Swords he was beaten to smithereens by his partner, he was just very handsome, mysterious and all the girls were crazy about him, that’s all))) And he was just beautiful in the frame) By the way, the object of my admiration said an interesting thought in his recent interview. When he was asked which film he would choose as the best of all, outside of Ip Man, it was in the “flying Chinese” genre (my favorite genre, by the way... right now, I feel like I’ll be anathematized here for these terrible words ) chose Hero (not a film, but poetry, as for me) and something else... but a modern action movie... He said that SPL had a very interesting unusual story, plus the first work with Wilson Yip and fights turned out great, but he didn’t like the way he played there... “Now, when I look at myself in this film, I understand that I would have done a lot differently in terms of acting...” In Hot Spot the story was rather bad ( I’m not quoting now, but roughly paraphrasing). Well, he says, it means I need to make another action thriller, where there would be a good story and action and everything else. That is, a person analyzes himself, speaks honestly about this and wants to change something for the better, do something better. The interview is from February (or close to it), very recent. This is a word about tired and tired. On the contrary, just the opposite. Every day he motivates himself and others to practice biotechnics)))
So don’t... I know what and who I’m talking about))
p.s. About cables to soften the fall, I meant when a person lands softly and gracefully after jumping from a fairly decent height) For a hero with an umbrella, for example...
Now about the second onion caps. I watched all these films with Jackie several times as a child, including Armor of God)) I loved them very much. At the same time, YES The Karate Kid and Rush Hour are cool)) Because, you won’t believe it, but films can be judged not only by how realistic the fights are staged)) In The Kid, Chan demonstrates a good dramatic performance (although he overacts a bit in some moments , but in general, he is very good there as a drama actor), and Rush Hour is a very funny action comedy, in which stereotypes, including those about Asians, are perfectly ridiculed) The truth is, other than the karate kid, I haven’t seen anything else from Chan the last one. I adored him as a child, but then I apparently outgrew him.
And of course everyone has different opinions. But we’re not having a gathering of professional film critics here either))) we’re all armchair critics here, essentially))
LalY,
Oh, and it turns out you know his work firsthand! Well...then sorry...underestimated you!
You shouldn't be talking about the FIST OF FURY. Not a bad series. Moreover, Donny himself was proud of him at one time. The truth is that there is really no need for acceleration there. They went too far with this matter.
Let me again draw an analogy with Jackie Chan. This guy knew how to use the cable where it was needed!!! And he shot his movie the way he needed it! Working literally on almost every frame.
It's a shame Donny isn't directing now. I would love to see his author's view. I'm definitely interested in him!
What’s remarkable is that creative people are very similar in their judgments. BALLISTIC KISS reminded me of something JOAN LOUIS once saw with Adriano, and done by him, in the structure of the narrative.
Jaidev,
Well, Kulak... was probably quite good in his time. But it is still a product of its time. It is clear that there was no money and no opportunities for better filming, and based on this, the series looks pretty decent for its time. And Donnie is in great shape there. But now... it’s sooooo hard)) The acceleration is so strong that your head starts to spin from this carousel))))
And about the cutting, I agree. And now he has much more experience and opportunities. But it’s very difficult to find fresh material these days, and this applies to world cinema as a whole in any genre)
LalY,
“But it’s very difficult to find fresh material these days, and this applies to world cinema as a whole in any genre.”
Not true. Lots of material! Books, stories in TV shows, a lot of things that happen in life and systematically happen to people + there is simply an incredible amount of stories on the Internet. One motivator alone can make a series bigger.
World cinema has become dull due to the lack of PERSONALITIES! Who are simply being crushed. Some are forced to stay out of the way, while others are lured with money, leading them astray.
Previously, I could clearly grasp Keaton, Hitchcock, Mario Bava, Argento, Leone, Gaidai, Yash Chopra, Rostotsky, Godard, Weber, Kubrick, Jackie Chan, John Woo... And now...?
And now, of all the garbage, perhaps only Nolan can be singled out. Yes, Tim Burton, who is still trying to stay afloat. And this is all thanks to its unique, inner world. Only inner peace and the desire to do something sincere have always set the biggest records!
Another point: What do you mean there was no money for better quality photography? Kill me, but I don’t understand this term! For example, what kind of money is needed to simply shoot static footage, in accordance with the exact angle chosen, as taught in film school, and then edit it correctly? This is the simplest thing you can do. Is it difficult?
Jaidev,
Let me express myself more clearly)
Fist of Legends is a good series for its time. But now it looks old-fashioned. It's just a series from the 90s with a wonderful young Donny))
For example, I liked the film from 10 many times more. I generally love this movie. It was there that we managed to do everything that was not possible (wasn’t possible) in the 90s. And it was WOW for me)))
z.y. Now, by the way, we have learned to make very high-quality TV series, and many great actors often go to the small screen (and directors too), because there they are given much more freedom of action. The Sopranos, True Detective... but that's another topic entirely.
LalY,
You're talking about good TV series, but not about personalities. These series were shared by average small fish. To the level of the above they are like to China....
And speaking of China, the same Sammo Hungg and Corey Yuen made excellent films in the 80s. Why? Because they were fans of THEIR BUSINESS. It's simple.
Jaidev,
Not every work can be transferred to film)) I didn’t mean film adaptations, but original scripts.
Well, go ahead! If it’s so simple, go for it))) Would you be interested in looking at statically shot footage?)) The public has become too spoiled, there’s little that can surprise us now)
LalY,
This is the problem - THE PUBLIC HAS BECOME TOO SPOILED. And the public is a prostitute that you don’t need to adapt to. All you have to do is make an interesting movie and the result is guaranteed! All interesting stories were not made for the public, but because the creators wanted to make a GOOD MOVIE, realizing themselves in what they loved. Now there are almost no such people!
Looking at static footage? It’s also interesting if each frame looks like a well-built picture with good editing, and why not?
Good kung fu action movie. It’s like the good old films of the 80s (even a little bit of the 70s), but in a modern package :)
I just watched the third part. And yesterday also Stealing Tiger 2. In general, what can I say, unfortunately, the genre that the Chinese did best has finally come to an end. This is a huge tragedy for us. Now the “Locomotives” of the surviving genre are being taken over by guys like Iko Uwais and possibly Tony Jaa. Although there seem to be no serious projects on the horizon (I don’t really believe in Three X), let’s hope that the Second Raid (which I consider a masterpiece) was not a big point in the BI genre.
Lindolion,
The Chinese, unfortunately, have long ceased to keep their finger on the pulse of BI films. And they haven’t made current leading films in this genre for a long time.
Is it there, this pulse?? ...
I agree with the high assessment (by the majority) of Reid and Reid-2. But what's next?
And then, just like today from Keanu Reeves, or Robert Downey Jr., so tomorrow from... for example, Michael Pitt (he took the first name of a good English actor that came across, not in any way connected with BI) they will make super fighters using the capabilities of editing and computer graphics .
Well, the same insurers won’t even let you organize fights in a medium-budget film, even in light contact. I am sure that the face of the same Donnie Yen is insured in such a way that it is cheaper to allow thousands of fans to scream “I don’t believe it” than to allow him a near-real fight, even if he himself would want it.
Am I the only one who has the feeling that Tyson looked stronger than Yen in the fight?))... Despite the broken finger))).
Alex,
Well, actually, Tyson is already stronger than Ian in battle)
Raid-3, of course)))
Well, or hit him in the nose with a knife... but wait a minute)))) But these are little things, of course, not in the eye)) Although maybe he and Tyson are a specialist... to get at least a little off the insurers))) Well done if So))
Of course you think so! After all, a hefty boxer, who is taller and weighs as much as two Donnie Yens, looks much weaker than he lost a lot of weight for the role of Donnie with the elegant style of Wing Chun))) But if it weren’t for the gong, Tyson’s dignity would face a severe test... in every sense, Sorry))))
In general, it seems to me that to create something mega-cool in the BI genre, we need this formula now.
Korean director + Korean screenwriter + Donnie Yen in the title role + staging of Donnie Yen's fights.
ALL! Suspense, unusual story, charismatic character plus modern tough (as he knows how) choreography.
By the way, the excellent Korean actor Lee Byung-hun has already publicly stated twice that he would really like to work with Donnie Yen... maybe it’s TIME?)))
I liked the film more than the second part and more than the trailers, but the first one was like the moon.
As for the battles... I agree, they are kind of non-contact here (the stupid use of cables only contributes to this). But their biggest problem is that, regardless of the plot, the choreography and the behavior of the main character does not change.
In the first part, Ip, when he was sparring with another wushu master, he was alone and behaved friendly, the fight with the northerners was already different, it was a serious fight, but with a large share of boyishness in the style of “whose kungfu is cooler,” but when his son pointed the gun...Ip became ABSOLUTELY different, the same thing happened in the battle with 10 Japanese, and in the final everything changed again, because... here he fought not only for himself and his family, but already represented the whole of China and fought for his country and people.
Right there...everything is the same. Sparring, kidnapping a son, threatening his wife, showdown with a kung fu master. Everything is the same.
Сelpaso,
Um, don’t you think that the sparring, that the scene in the elevator, that the kidnapping of one’s son is dangerous and a direct threat? Sparring - Ip came to deal with the hero of the whole celebration, so to speak, elevator, kidnapping - understandable. And the scene with the master... it was a technical battle, although the rickshaw was attacking quite harshly, and Ip was mainly defending himself technically. That is, there were no friendly fights AT ALL, essentially.
And a few comparisons:
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http://cs633218.vk.me/v633218831/20302/uJroO-o6qQw.jpg
I probably really don’t understand anything about cinema, and it’s all the same for a passport... well then I wash my hands of it, gentlemen)))
LalY,
Everything is a threat. But the difference between sparring and saving a son is HUGE and this should be visible, not only in the acting, but also in the staging of the fight, the behavior of the character in such situations.
I can say for myself: when you fight as part of training, it’s one thing, when you fight in public, it’s another, when you fight on the street, it’s a third. Almost everything is different, from your internal state, which is transmitted to your face and movements in general, to the tactics and design of the fight.
In the first Ip Man - this is clearly visible. In the third part it is not visible.
Сelpaso,
Wow, that's what we're talking about. How to take a photo for a passport.
I'll make a couple of comments, if I may.
Firstly, while reading, I caught a couple of places in the text that would be worth correcting.
It's like something is missing here "make it (?) an unmistakable triumph of Chinese martial arts". May be, "make him hero obsessed an unmistakable triumph of Chinese martial arts"?
And here “In parallel, we have the character Max Zhang, who wants to become the main representative of Wing Chun. The character, unfortunately, is very underdeveloped in terms of volume and character." , perhaps the word "unfinished" it would be worth replacing with "unfinished".
Well, it's probably just a typo: "The first two lines I have I have the task of showing Ip Man as a fighter and a worthy person.”.
Secondly, about the film itself.
Overall, I liked the movie, but the impression was moderately flat, without delight or admiration. There is a simple and clear plot, without excesses in the direction of pretentious patriotism or unrealistic epicness. A simple story of a man whom others consider a legend, but he is only trying to live his quiet life. However, circumstances and film scriptwriters are against it. Writers need conflict to move the plot along. Therefore, they come up with a conflict, and another, and a third... sometimes out of the blue. But this is a kung fu action movie; after all, plot collisions should periodically arise along the way, leading to vigorous action scenes. And the action in “Ip Man 3” is stylistically more akin to wuxia films rather than modern hyperkinetic action films like “Hot Spot.” If this is taken for granted (and I did), then some of the deliberateness of the fight choreography is perceived quite normally, and even Mike Tyson breaking windows at machine-gun speed is not annoying.
electricity,
Yes, a typo.
Maybe the drops are out of place. If anything, delete it maliciously :o)
Ip Man is found in the story "The Adventures of the Raspberry Power", although there is only a little of him there. There is also a character named Samo Hungg.
A few points, since the main thing seems to have been said:
In terms of personality, in three episodes we got Hercules (I write without irony) who consistently performed a bunch of feats glorified in myths. I understand that the same prerequisites for fights need to be created from somewhere, but I am sure that a very small part of the plot of all three episodes taken together took place in reality. What you can believe in is the competitive struggle of kung fu schools, and this, excuse me, is for part 2 (undeservedly spat upon) and again for the third. According to Bruce Lee in the third episode - or something else or nothing at all (purely mine) Maybe someone knows the biography of the great B.L. better than me, but he COULD NOT come to study with Ip Man with such a developed footwork technique, just at that time I have never been a fighter of this level before. Although, on the other hand, the deeper relationship between the master and his eminent student is a reason for a separate film.
Regarding my wife, I won’t add anything, everything is fine.
As for the Thai fighter, my opinion is that it’s not very good. There are a lot of techniques that are not typical for Muay Thai and the fight pattern itself is not reliable (again, I’m not an expert, but the side “Yoko-giri” and most of the turns are practically not used in Thai boxing) Tyson is generally superfluous, especially with tattoos on his face, it’s better If it were a Frenchman with Savatt, by the way, he and Shahlavi could easily be replaced, English boxing is a bit much for two series in a row.
At the same time, everyone liked the film, all three parts are equal and favorite for me; those who haven’t watched it - enjoy watching.
In general, the original Ip Man was not exactly a clear-cut character. He worked in the police, and was by no means poor... He may have been quite a good man, but he was not a disinterested knight, a defender of the downtrodden, as they push it into the movies.
pavleg,
No one argues.
As for the review... I liked the fights, as well as their intensity. Very. They are softer, yes, but believe me, they would have made them the same as in the previous ones, and the creators would all have been accused of copying themselves)))
There is still a different kind of intensity here. There is no war and hunger and that inner boiling rage inside Ip when he saw the death of his friends. This needs to be understood.
But that's okay. Here points of view may be different. But what I can’t agree with is that Donnie has grown up his character...
Well, listen, a person cannot be the same in the first and third parts, taking into account at least the fact how many years have passed since the events. There is a different context to the story here. Here it is not a storm, but tenderness. The finale is therefore also the least harsh, although very technical precisely because there was no anger towards Max’s hero AT ALL. There was rather a kind of sympathy there.
The moment with Tyson is the toughest for me. But there are two personal moments for Yip. The first is with his son. There was a task to get him out, so he did everything to mainly protect the boy, so he stupidly threw all these people aside as some kind of obstacle to achieving the goal. And the ending is good when he hugs him... it's a personal moment and you can feel it. But I liked the moment in the elevator more also because Ip protects his wife there (how he covers her with himself or stops her with his fist, I love dearly...) also because he just found out about her illness. How he pushed that guy out of the elevator with what an expression on his face! How he then closed the door... for me it was a very powerful moment.
But the actress didn’t even preserve her character, she just revealed it here, one might say for the first time truly.
But again, okay, someone may have a different vision. And I might not have written anything if it weren’t for the outcome of the review, which was quite unexpected. Everything in the series is bad, but I liked it))) I couldn’t have liked it just because of my wife)
z.s Of course this film is not a masterpiece, and yes, it is worse than the first part in many aspects, but this film stands out, it is a little different, with a different context and history, and at the same time serves as a wonderful addition to the image of the character. Which, by the way, is quite difficult to do and in general few people succeed in long franchises.
By the way, there is an interesting moment with Bruce. Many were waiting for the development of this particular relationship story. But, if they make the 4th part, then they need a very serious casting for this role. The boy in the third part is charming, and these parody moments were even... touching, because they lasted only a few minutes, but if his role had been broader, then a disaster would have happened, because he, apparently, has nothing to do with anything other than gimmicks. not able to.
LalY,
In my opinion, Donnie underacted in almost all the dramatic moments. Both in the elevator and with my son. So he would have covered his wife with his back and received a couple of blows from the enemy... some kind of intensity was missing. Otherwise, everything was easy for him there, in the elevator. Invincible master, that's all. You don't empathize with him.
But this is a difference in perception.
But the role of the wife, yes, I agree, is not just preserved, but revealed. But, I repeat, Donnie is very inferior to her as an on-screen partner.
Ravenside,
And in the hospital, when she asked him to take a group photo, of course, too...))) By the way, the fact that he didn’t get hit on the back was definitely not related to the acting, but to the staging of the scene)) but oh well.
Yes, it’s useless to argue here; perhaps you just don’t like him very much. For me, he plays the nuances brilliantly. In all three films. In general, I like him as an actor extremely, despite the fact that in general I watch action films extremely rarely, and even more often from art house)))
But in any case, at least there is a SUBJECT for debate here, because this has not happened in this genre for a long time...
LalY,
Oh, about the general photo. the idea is most beautiful. But not finished.
LalY,
Just in time for acting and it has. Choreography is not only the mechanics and concept of the fight, but also emotional accents. This is what distinguishes a good screen fight from a bad one. This is what separates a good action movie from a bad one. You empathize with Willis in Die Hard, but not with Schwarzenegger in Commando.
Who's unsympathetic? Character? Very nice. This is Donnie's best character and one of the best characters in Chinese action films today. Is Donnie Yen himself unlikable? As a likable action actor, he is clearly one of the most established stars. But, again, his really good acting work is Ip Man 1. It was really a qualitative leap upward. We have seen that Dhoni is not only a brilliant on-screen fighter but also a mature actor. But, in my opinion, the 2nd and 3rd parts of “Ip Man” do not show him as such.
Is it useless to argue? I don't really like the word argue. I think we're just talking.
Ravenside,
Choreography is one thing, and by the way, it wasn’t Donnie who did the choreography here. Although... for some reason it seems to me that he had a little hand in the fight with Tyson, but I don’t know about that. The dramatic aspect is the ability to hold the frame, work in the current situations in the frame, and so on. Since he holds the frame... That's why he got Ip Man. He holds the frame perfectly. AND OUTSIDE THE FIGHT SCENES as well. And this is already an indicator of not just an on-screen fighter.
He's fun to watch, even in weak movies, or even when his character is very one-dimensional, like in Stars of Destiny. This is acting charisma. When a good script and drama are added to this feature, the result is Ip Man level 1 plus great fight scenes. Here we saw... perhaps the more melodramatic side of his character and this, as for me, is quite unexpected and valuable in the context of character development. Is this on par with the first film? No. Is this interesting in itself beyond comparison? YES definitely.
About arguing, I meant seeing the scenes) Well, or talking about these scenes, you can do this. But this does not change the essence in any case. But what, then, did you like in the third part, that the result was positive for you?)
By the way, a little off-topic, but in Kung Fu Jungle he shows the dramatic side very well, although here it seems like everyone doesn’t like him) He’s generally good at working with this director. Donnie was very unexpected in bodyguards and assassins))
LalY,
The review is rather neutral. What I liked... Probably the fact that the film remained in the same style, which was originally set by the franchise. I liked that they didn’t make Ip Man an even bigger popular popular hero of the nation, but tried to return to the man. I liked the line with the wife. I liked, albeit sluggishly, the attempt to talk about dignity and heritage, to justify one’s not entirely logical actions by the fact that someone should protect people.
I liked the general appearance of the picture, some preserved, albeit shaky, dignity, there was no feeling of irritation for the character or the feeling that I was just watching a stupid film, as was the case with “John Wick” or “Close Range”.
Ravenside,
Ravenside,
Oh-oh-oh) why is John Wick a stupid movie??))
JOHNSON,
Muhahahaha. I won't post a review of it. Let it lie on Kinopoisk)
I liked the film. In my opinion, weaker than the first part, but noticeably stronger than the second. Perhaps Donny gave up in terms of action scenes, but the third part hooked me precisely in the story, the line with his wife. The third Ip Man turned out to be a good film with a slight admixture of martial arts. Among the fights, I would like to mention a fight with a Thai and a fight with a Wing Chun master. Tyson was added for the sake of exoticism, group fights were staged well, but a bit boring. As a film, Ip Man 3 is certainly good, it’s a pity that there was no tension left in the fights. You don't worry about the characters at all. Although from the point of view of fight choreography everything is fine. There is also a lack of a cool villain, Max Zhang clearly lacks power and charisma. Well, I can’t believe that he’s throwing everyone around so coolly and that’s it. A bit small. To summarize: a worthy conclusion to the trilogy. Well done Donny.
The review, as usual, is excellent and interestingly written. Thank you!
I haven't seen the film yet. But from the trailers, in general, a lot was clear.
This time... I didn't like this review. In my opinion, it is very dry, it uses unnecessary “complex” words and terms. I got the feeling that the author was not writing about the film, but was presenting himself and imposing his point of view.
These are two... Meeting expectations. This is a nasty thing. How many times has she failed? Here it is now. Donnie is getting old. There's no hiding this. In the previous film "Kung Fu Bastard", well, where masters of various schools are killed, his character moved better and this is not related to the peculiarities of Wing Chun. But I didn’t like that movie. While watching, I got the impression that the combatants had great difficulty overcoming air resistance. And Donnie was just tired. Myself. Separated from the character.
Now I'm even more wary of Boyko and Kickboxer.
This is three... 3 minutes of the fight with Tyson. With an unnecessary shuttle, with moronic motivation. With claims to quality. But here is a fight with TYSON. And thank you very much that it is not the same as in Unisol-4. Where the legendary and unfortunate Roy Johnson was multiplied by zero.
That's four... But there's Bruce here. Yes, it’s cartoonish, yes, it’s terrible, and I personally don’t like Bruce, but THERE IS BRUCE HERE!
Elbrus Nukite,
It does not impose, but expresses. And, of course, your point of view, whose else?
Ravenside,
That's how I perceived it. But that's just my opinion.
Elbrus Nukite,
Lord... he filmed Kung Fu Jungle right before he started filming Ip Man...
You've aged in three months, poor thing...)))
What kind of speed are you talking about) He will get old, of course, but the speed with him is unambiguous. It’s just that here it’s possible that in reality there was a lack of rigidity and contact, everything is softer and more intelligent, but this is Yuan itself) plus the rating, you don’t need to forget about it.
LalY,
You can grow old in a minute...
PS Thank you for calling me God. Not far from the truth.
I think it's still too far...
Of course, I didn’t watch the 3rd part (but I will), but I felt a little IMHOnautika both in the review and in the comments (Sammo Hungg and the Indians are our everything!).
Despite this. for the second part with the author technically I agree - in fact, the 2nd Ip Man is stolen in many ways from Rocky 3 and 4, and one of the creators directly hinted at this, I also agree on the topic of patriotic education (the Chinese are great, Hong Kong is ours, the Angles are goats). BUT: on the screen it is clearly visible that straight and simple boxing is much better than the ornate ballet wushu wing chun and other similar quirks, and Ip Man won... because the Chinese spirit is strong, stronger than the tricks, stronger than the boxer's pound fists and stronger than all the goats of England - Hong Kong is now our territory, history is returning to us! However, despite the secondary nature and cliché. Ip Man 2 is not bad, but it has lost its philosophy and realism and I would not demand so much.
Regarding the third, there is a lot I don’t like about the trailers and info:
1) Tyson is not the final boss. yet again. an invincible champion who decided to shine on the screen and not get knocked out (show-off, in a word, is the same as that of Seagal and several other athletes). But since Hong Kong is ours, and Master Yip is ours, he cannot be defeated either - it’s a draw!
2) Ip Man is NOT OLD. Although it seems like in theory there should be. Why not depict him as gray-haired, carefully wasting his strength in battles because of this?
3) Bruce Lee will appear for a few minutes
And in general, the story will not be about Tyson, but about how the Ving Chunovites shared the throne. But I'll watch it anyway. because the first two parts were very good.
uranium,
Imhonautics? Oh well))
I'm too in love with the main character and I can't imagine myself condemning this film. The mind is simply foggy, like a teenager with his first love.)) Actually, this is also a kind of assessment.
barsug,
Well.. what to hide, not without it)
barsug,
That's fine. But I'm only in love with the first part. I believe that it is her trail that makes the character so beloved by the audience.
I completely agree with the author. I got bored while watching mass battles.
As for me, this is complete nonsense (!) worse than the second part. Despite the fact that I will review the second, but NOT the third! The only plus is the camera work, the rest is all slag.
JOHNSON,
Wow application! In my opinion, an excellent movie, no worse than the first two episodes
Dmitriy,
IP MAN 3 is about nothing! I agree! I fell asleep several times! I wanted to write a detailed review of this “garbage”, but my hand did not rise. Horrible!
Camera work??? Well, yes... everything in green is aerobatics! I'm out.
The only + is the line of the wife of the hero IP MANA. Everything else is delirium of sick people.
Jaidev,
It’s almost scary to ask what is not trash for you... so I probably won’t. By the way, really thank you for NOT writing a review...
LalY,
Well, from what? If you want to ask, ask, what are the problems? Scary, not scary. Like children, by God. He pulled out the Colt, shoot, what's the point of jerking off?
A movie should be, if not interesting, then educational; if not educational, it should be something that brings out something (even the brain); if not, then it should teach something by its example.
IP MAN 3 teaches - don’t do martial arts, the cable and the computer will do everything for you! Spit on your loved ones, and take hold of them when they are threatened with death!
You can distort history (I'm talking about Bruce Lee) and to hell with it! Tarantino ended the Second World War in the cinema, and Guy Ritchie made Holmes (mind you at an age) stoned!
This is not the dissolute Wong Fei Hungg in his youth.....
Hit the motivator of the film, which (as they say) collected a lot of money!
Certainly. Now in the modern world there is money, this is the measure of a GOOD EXAMPLE!!!
The film made back the money with interest, but history is written by the winners, it’s not us who said...
And the level of modern BI films is criticized, I think. not only in Russia.
They are made for fans of computer games, and not for those who went out to the tatami in a kimono wet with sweat. There are stupidly MUCH more of the first)))....
Jaidev,
Um... well, here's my opinion)
There is a character. Which was very specifically and clearly shown in the first film. He is a fighter, he is a master, for him martial arts are life. He loves his family, takes care of them, of course! But he is a man not of emotions, but of actions. He doesn’t say many kind words, doesn’t pay her (as she would like!) attention. It’s not enough for her... when he needs his help, he can’t refuse, he’s that kind of person, and she always has to sit at home and wait... And then their son is kidnapped. But Ip does everything according to his conscience, correctly, as it should... And there is nothing to reproach him for and she can be understood (I say this as a girl). And then it turns out that she is terminally ill. ALL. She won't be there. At all. There won't be any for him later. There won't be time. Therefore, all these challenges on the topic of who is better... never mind! What difference does it make who is better when this could be the last day with her. And he understands her, understands all these, as it might initially seem unnecessary, claims. But she finally finally understands him and accepts him. As she says... I love you for who you are. Martial arts are your life! And I want you to fight him. And then she asks him to practice... and how he reacts... how he leans his elbows... well, guys, how can you not see this. Here's a personal story, finally.
History of the rickshaw. This is not a foreign villain yelling that you are all shit, but a beast. This is an ordinary person, not bad at all, who just wanted to open his own school. And what did they tell him? Get out, from rags to riches... and that he committed a crime, that he had the opportunity.... a good man, after all, he went to prove. Not instructive, no? When Eep defeats him, what does he say to him? Why shouldn't you do martial arts? Well, that's nonsense! He says it DOESN'T MATTER WHO IS BETTER! The people around us are important.
And at that moment they show her... And this is Ip’s reaction when his wife tells him about the photo. Last photo. He is a man of action, not emotion. After he learned about her illness, he did not run around corners, did not feel sorry for himself and whined. He cared about her, but when she said this, he burst out, and it was clear what it took for him to restrain himself... For him, this is tantamount to a stream of tears, after all...
Now about the notorious battles. Fight in the elevator. Beautifully made and filmed. What's not? Fight in a confined space, and how Ip covers his wife with himself. There is an emotional intensity and good production here. The fight with Tyson was well staged. What's not? Excellent and shows where 50-year-old Tyson really reminds of his many records. And of course the last fight, very beautiful. Especially the ending. There were cables, but for this genre there were very few of them! Sometimes they flew away for effect, sometimes for a smooth landing. Very few, in fact, they are made an order of magnitude better than in the second. Computer graphics? Well, don't make me laugh! Well, the cigarettes were made to fly and have metal reflections to justify the 30D, this is such a small thing that certainly does not spoil the picture, but on the contrary, decorates it in some moments. Because there is no overkill at all. The camera work is top notch. Well, Christmas trees, look carefully at the plans, at the transitions! How can a person who has watched a movie at least a little in his life not notice this, sorry, I don’t understand. And finally, the green stuff. It's really LOLISH here. What greenery, cheer up! The film has a budget of 100 lyams. For greenery, the budget should be at least XNUMX. This was not there, and if there was a little graphics, it was so miserable that it’s ridiculous to even talk about it.
LalY,
Expanded! BUT not convincing! Why? Well... I won’t say I’m a fool myself, because I’ve always held a different opinion, but I’ll explain.
About the action:
Tross to hell! Almost every third frame! Jackie knew how to work with them, but this is too much! And obvious. What the hell is a smooth landing? The falls must be powerful! There was no sense of strength or power in many of the shots. Especially Donnie. And in the scene with the siege of the school at night. It feels like he just sticks his leg out and the opponent falls. But for the hero Zhang, it’s quite the opposite. I don’t understand why this happens in modern cinema.
You watch Sammo Hungg from the 80s and you understand that they beat him so hard that after the blow they couldn’t get up. And if they did get up, then you were simply stunned by what was happening!
Donny and Tyson's fight is too soft. + explain to me what this is - straight into the glass - one, second, third, fourth... is this a cinematic show-off or the stupidity of the hero with the choreographers? Strangely filmed. Some shots are amazing, and some are downright trash. If it’s so fundamentally clear, I can attach a storyboard to individual frames in which there are full legs, half a head and many other strange things.
About shooting - “green” meant the color scheme of the picture. Even a blind person will notice this.
From angles. It is clear that where the equipment was installed, it was removed there. But it seems to me that the editor made a mistake by gluing something wrong, but the director did not control it. This is not visible to the naked eye.
On a personal note, I’ll say it again: Guys, this is not a show off or a desire to show that everything is trash and shit! During my life I managed to watch a lot of things (Soviet cinema, Indian, Italian, French.....) and God bless everyone! Therefore, I have my own valid opinion and I have the right to it. Anyone who knows me firsthand will probably agree with me. Definitely.
Many also know that I love Indian cinema! BUT.... in recent years there has simply been nothing to look at! Slag! BUT....
I recently watched BROTHER BAJRANGI and literally loved it! This is a movie!!!
Some people think I'm a snob or worse. Let him think, I don’t care to be honest!
And as for me, I’d rather review ARMOR OF GOD, PROJECT A, WAY OF THE DRAGON or IP MAN 1 than pathetic imperfections. Why the pathetic imperfections?
Because the same 3rd part of IP MAN had a wonderful wife line. Beautiful! BUT why didn’t they focus on the relationship so that it would really hit home!??? Why? Of all things, there was a good moment when his wife said that she wanted to be photographed. Yes... a strong moment. But I experienced it in my head, but not on film. We didn't make it! And what a cool moment there was with the son of a negative character! But why didn't they focus on his hunger? Why. Looked... grabbed... Where are his eyes? Where is the hunger desire? And then joy at the table. Where? All this is casual and for show.
And most of all in my life I dislike what is produced for show. I can smell this kind of hack a mile away. This is bad? Yesterday I watched a film with my friend, who knows a lot about cinema. We watched 20 minutes, and he asked me - what is the film about?
Finally: Watch more good movies. Compare. Develop yourself. And then the real things will seem even tastier and richer to you!
All the best and positivity.
Jaidev,
I agree about the scene with the photograph, about the siege of the school at night and about Max Zhang's son.