This time the guys from the stunt team "LBP Stunts Chicago" took aim at one of the best fights in the history of martial arts films - a fight between Jackie Chan и Benny Urquidez, for which he developed the choreography Sammo Hungg. A total of 4 days were spent filming the fight (4-6 hours a day).
Directed by: Emmanuel Manzanares
Brandon Huor as Thomas (Jackie Chan)
Mickey Faccinello as assistant Mondale (Benny Urquidez)
Mickey Facchinello vs. Brendon Huor - Wheels on Meals Choreography Practice
Source: LBP Stunts Chicago Official Channel
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Tags: LBP Stunts Chicago, Wheels on Meals, Benny Urkides, Brandon Huor, Jackie Chan, Food truck, Mickey Faccinello, Emmanuel Manzanares
Hidden tribute to Jackie Chan from Simon Pegg (Armaged Man):
I looked - great. Of course, it will not reach the masters: Jackie, Urquidez, Hungg - but this is not and is not necessary. I repeat - it's still great. I, no joke, began to have men’s tears - stingy ones and I nervously screamed with joy “WELL JUST RAM$%%$” and hit myself on the knee with all my might when I saw a roundhouse kick to the back of the head by Jackie Chan - these are just genuine emotions, which are very rare and can bring you to joyful and enthusiastic tears.
Guys, don't be snobs...
Figures of Chan and Urquidez. Adkins tweeted: "I want it, I want it, I want it."
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Well done, they made a good production on a low budget. I don’t understand what prevents the fights from being staged well in the general mass of Russian TV series. Maybe there are a large number of them....
Simply because Gatti couldn’t do it any other way)). A hardy and uncompromising puncher, with a minimum of defense. The man aimed the entire fight with one unexpected strong blow, sometimes even intuitively, for luck, sacrificing his head. But he was often lucky because his opponents did not have knockout hands, Ivan Robinson, for example. That's why Gatti steadfastly endured them. But despite all the shortcomings, he was an excellent and spectacular fighter, one of my favorites.
Something similar happened in the fight of Arturo Gati. His opponent was clearly winning. Gati simply "floated". But just one blow changed everything.
I don't think that ALL of their shots are high quality. Maybe they “stuff” the body, but as they say, “even the best abs or defense can be broken through.”
The main thing is HOW to present it. Do you remember our Russian series "Brigada" 1 on 1 fight between Belov and Mukha? It seems like an ordinary fight, but for some reason it’s still interesting to watch)
If without any reservations - then the only one.
I won’t say anything about “Undisputed” and its treasure trove of choreography. This is not my style, personally I am not very interested in such aesthetics, and I think that this is a dead end. However, it doesn't matter...
This could be said if this was the first work of these guys...or the fifth, or even the tenth. But in fact, the only stunt team (among those who like to make short films) that is really growing in this business and moving in the right direction is Jacobas’ The Stunt People (if I don’t know someone, please add)
In due time I will devote a separate article to this in my group, but for now I’ll just say that OF COURSE it is very much embellished, but not as much as some people think. In combat sports, such comebacks (when one fighter loses almost the entire fight, gets knocked down, and then picks up... and wins) occur quite often.
Watch the fights of Kyokushin fighters, they are masters at breaking all sorts of things, but this does not stop them (when they fight against each other), they calmly take blows and do not collapse after the first missed one.
It is necessary, but sometimes cases from real life are so unrealistic that if you show them in a movie... everyone will bully you for being unrealistic. =)
Of course, a film is a film, but.... Sarora's character did 3 (!) finishing sequences, after which Boyka stood up and knocked him down... what I mean is that the viewer involuntarily thinks, “and after this he will still get up??”
No, the choreography, performance, etc... everything is top notch! but these “things” are already too much.
I saw in some movie a fight between Jet Li and some general... it’s called “Fist of Legend”, I don’t remember exactly...... so here it is! This general smashed stone statues, doors, walls, etc. with his fists and feet. Can you imagine what kind of power there is??? and during the fight, he dealt the same blows to Jet! In the head, in the torso....from such power, I was surprised how he didn’t fall to the floor from broken ribs, concussion......in short, he turned it off.
It turns out that the viewer needs MORE realism, but with LONGER timing. I'm right ?
Where are they, these skillful hands...
- that's it. In the skillful ones. But these guys can’t do anything other than bang bang and bang bang. Neither invent, nor shoot, nor work with the material. Although as athletes, very good material!!!
You can say a lot, but I’ll just ask the question - Why?
Is everything really so bad in their brains that they need to stupidly copy something?
Sometimes listening to your inner world is much more important...
Yes, it’s clumsy and crumpled, but they are moving in the right direction. In the right hands it can turn out to be quite interesting material.
Celpaso, you are saying everything correctly. Learn from the classics, learn from experience, disassemble, analyze. You just need to approach this more intellectually, first of all, analyze the camera work and editing + the dramaturgy of the battle and acting. Why was it filmed from this point, and not from this one, from this angle, and not from this one, why is the cut now, and not a second ago... why is there a pause, why is there a lull, all these subtleties from which the viewer’s perception is assembled. This is more complex and important, this is what cinema is. Repeating the movements and finding costumes is one thing, here you need less intelligence, just good physical shape. But we need to approach this as a CINEMA, learn from the classics, so that later we can make our own original films, and not just show ourselves that I can swing my legs like that.
Already boyan, forgive me, but I will return to Jacobsus again. Here's an example: a man reworked the legacy of Jackie Chan and the classic film "Groundhog Day" and made an original short film.
On individual fights: Of course, the mentioned fight is from “Hot Spot” with Donny, but his fight with Sammo Hungg from “SPL” is also very good. If it’s a classic, then Bruce Lee and Chuck Norris in the Colosseum, Seagal’s fights from “Marked for Death” (I have already mentioned that I consider the fights from this film to be the pinnacle of his film fights and supposedly Seagal also mentioned that he was allowed to have a hand in the choreography in this film work) I also agree with “Drive”, the fight is good. “Undisputed” are both just a treasure trove, although the last fight between Adkins and Saror is actually something
This thought also arose. This is what I thought: if I were planning to start making my own films, then before the short films I would “re-shoot” several fights from the classics for the sake of padding. Moreover, in my opinion, I don’t care about the external similarity (hairstyles, clothes, the room where they are fighting), the required minimum is the presence of things that will participate in the fight (such as the moving table in the Jackie and Benny fight) - that’s all. Goals
1) Working with actors. Try to prevent the actors from looking like an outright parody of the original. And (as far as possible) they looked natural when playing their roles.
2) Training your hands in choreography is a given.
3) What Ravenside mentioned above is to try to replicate the camera work and editing of the original. If you approach such editing and camera work, then subsequent short films will greatly benefit from this.
To begin with, I would choose something easier - Chuck Norris vs Bruce Lee, JKVD vs Bolo Yeung, and over time you can aim for something heavier like Jackie vs Benny and Donnie Yen vs Colin Chow.
Dragons Forever
youtube.com/watch?v=1zSijx8GyVA&feature=youtu.be
Excellent dynamics, speed of movements, editing does not shorten the scope of the blows (a bad example in Statham’s films, especially the third carrier). The operator is “sane” without “hand paralysis” and of course the technique and execution!
Same:
In “Drive” I liked the idea with Masai Kato’s glasses, and then Mark’s response to this with a stick)) + music. accompaniment.
Well, what I like most about “Tochka” is the street fight style! This is realism! + as I wrote above about the elements of MMA.
On the streets of Liechtenstein...
You better write why these are your favorites. Everyone is looking for something different in a movie, song, book, fight. Even in food.
You listed some great examples of movie battles. Tell us why they're great.
They said it a hundred times, and even started to compose it in one of the posts. From then on, I still compile a block of short reviews of films that I consider worthy and interesting in this genre for one reason or another. This looks like some kind of top.
If Evil finds it necessary and interesting, I can gradually send him some parts, he can publish them.
It would be interesting to make the TOP 10 or 20 best movie fighting games. It seems like someone has already talked about this here.
I don't understand why the original fight is the standard for a great fighting game. Almost everything there is a little accelerated.
Now I’ll probably start a long discussion topic again))
I will say this, my favorites among movie fights are Donnie Yen vs Colin Chow (Hot Spot) - a street fight with MMA elements.
And also Dacascos vs Kato (Drive) - although there are a few shortcomings, but it was still incredibly cool!
mmm......maybe something else...) But that's all for now)
It would seem that they seem to have the same movements (well, formally), but the discoverers are brilliant, while the imitators are dull.
Of course, the guys tried and studied. But the waste of time was not worth it, because there is little point in repeating all this. You can rely on this, but copy for the sake of... well, for fun, perhaps? For the sake of tribute, albeit dubious.
Wave still weakly said “they don’t reach it”)) That is, there’s not even talk about reaching it. They would also try to copy the editing and camera work)) If the choreography was still going well, then the shooting and editing wouldn’t work out at all, because the original had exquisite and lengthy work. And here it is... the guys just decided to do it for themselves, play “Snack Shop”. Well, let's play. There is no point in watching more than once. Except that if Mickie Faccinello had fought here in a bikini, then maybe it would have been possible. And so...
There are 2 mistakes: 1) Jackie clearly didn’t jump enough. 2) Benny lowered his hands, deliberately exposing himself to the blow, although before that he had defended himself
You can’t feel Ben’s power and speed in the girl at all. And the guy doesn't look like Jackie. Well done though.
Ps What irritates me (both in the original and here) is the final knee strike. Jackie didn't jump far enough to knee him in the chin. The only place where editing and staging are clearly visible.