I’ll say right away that I’m not a fan of the first part and consider it very overrated, but it’s better that Gareth, with his vision of martial arts in cinema, be released in cinemas around the world, it’s better that his films are praised and called “the best action films of the year” than someone like three-letter.
The main advantage of the sequel is that the action of the film went beyond the confines of one building, a plot and characters appeared here, while Gareth was not afraid to go beyond the hour and a half format, which is typical of “stupid action films,” which made it possible to reveal the characters and explain their motives to the viewer, and give the actors the opportunity to demonstrate not only their physical abilities (that is, they have something to play and they do it well).
However, it cannot be said that Gareth coped with this with a bang. Due to the long running time, lags still occur; the beginning of the film manages to be both drawn out and somehow choppy, abrupt (either Rama is sitting in the toilet, then he is communicating with the head of the anti-corruption department, in the next frame he is already at the funeral of his brother and etc.) I didn't really like it. Although the plot has appeared, it is still quite banal: again these misunderstandings between the father-mafia boss and his son, because of which the latter does something stupid and everything goes to hell, again one gang, which recently appeared in the city, pits two the biggest local gangs to take their place. But I repeat - this is much better... the capture of a building by a special forces group that falls into a trap. =)
There is a lot of action in the film and it is quite varied (there is a chase, shooting, and of course a lot of fighting). There are no complaints about the shooting and chases, but if you take the shootouts... in the original they are better and there are more of them. But I didn’t really like the fights. The choreography is good, although I finally realized that the cinematic Muay Thai of Tony Jaa looks cooler than the cinematic penchak from Ico, but this is largely a matter of taste. In some places they tried to hide the poverty of the choreography with a huge amount of blood (for example, the Hammer Girl’s fight in the subway), but this won’t fool me. ;) I didn't like the cameraman's work, there was a lot of flickering. Of course, there are not as many close-ups as in Bourne, but the operator constantly seems to be in a hurry trying to keep up with the blows (because of which, the head leaves the frame, then the legs, then the body), moreover, the feeling that the operator himself is participating in fight, then he is thrown out the window along with the actor, and he barely gets up to continue filming, then during a kick/arm/hammer/baseball bat strike on the head of one of the actors, the operator throws the camera to the side as if it was just him got hit in the face. I don’t understand this style of filming, but there are some good moments. I really liked the moments when Rama fights with the Killer, the camera goes around them (in one take and without changing floors, without zooming). This is great.
Now let's talk about the characters. I won’t dwell on the characters who practically do not participate in the action (specifically, Bangun, Ucho, Goto, Keiichi and Bijou), they coped with their roles normally, “they didn’t infuriate” as they say. But about those who participated... I’ll go into more detail:
Eka (Oka Antara) - he resembles the special forces commander played by Joe Taslim from the first part, but without the martial arts skills. However, he played almost a decisive role in the race and largely helped Rama get out of this mess alive. In general, he is the faithful bodyguard of his boss Bangun.
Prakoso (Yayan Ruhian) is a hired killer and an old friend of Bangun, at the same time a loving father, whose ex-wife does not allow him to see his son because of his work (although I feel sorry for him, one can understand his wife). Mad Dog performed Rukhyana in Raid he was very cool, and Prokoso in the sequel... almost merged. Yes, he takes part in two fights, where one fights against the crowd (you don’t need to film too many people in one fight... because the extras either start to slack off during a mass attack, or take turns running up and raking away from the main character), yes, It actually started a gang war because of him. But in these battles he was so poorly developed as a film fighter that this role could have been given to any other actor. Nothing would change.
The Hammer Girl (Julie Estelle), her brother the Baseball Bat Boy (Very Tri Yulisman) and the Killer (Cecep Arif Rahman) seem to have come straight out of a Japanese anime. Three martial arts masters who faithfully serve the main villain Bijou, and whom the main character must take turns defeating in hand-to-hand combat in order to reach their boss. I really liked this concept, but unfortunately the authors merged Hammer and Bat just like Prakoso. Each has one fight + one joint fight against Rama. In fact, apart from external paraphernalia, there is nothing interesting about them (although the guy’s phrase “give me the ball, please” pleased me). As in the case of Prakoso, replace them with other actors (who at least know something about movie battles) and nothing will change at all. But the Killer is cool!!! He reminded me of the character Crump from Dragon's Honor 2. Silent, cool, charismatic and an excellent opponent for the final battle with the main character. There are no complaints about him.
Rama (Iko Uwais) is the main character. Despite his round cheeks (this is not how you should gain muscle mass, not like this =) Iko is a great guy. He matured and began to look better in the image of the main character who kills everyone (he added both in terms of charisma and in terms of acting). Moreover, not only Iko matured, but also his character, who by the end of the film finally turned into a killing machine. It is very interesting what Rama will be like in the next part.
That, in principle, is all that can be said about the Raid sequel. It turned out different compared to the first part (in some ways better, in some ways worse). The film is sure to have fans screaming that it's the best martial arts film ever made, and haters who won't understand what's so great about this otherwise average film. I liked the movie more than not. But again, to the title of “BEST ACTION FILM EVER MADE” is like the moon. But I wish the film, as well as its team, all the best. :)
PS I completely forgot... it’s a pity that they couldn’t invite Shinoda to Raid 2, because of this the sequel’s soundtrack lost a LOT.
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Tags: The Raid, The Raid 2, The Raid 3, Gareth Evans, Iko Uwais, Raid, Yayan Ruhian
Thank you!
youtube.com/watch?v=gJgdCVf1iU8&index=6&list=PLC97ABFFDD637685E
+ the video I was talking about:
youtube.com/watch?v=tbGBmfwT09s&index=12&list=PLC97ABFFDD637685E
And here's another video of his that I liked:
youtube.com/watch?v=Nda8S4qnjps&index=11&list=PLC97ABFFDD637685E
Could you please provide a link to this video, otherwise they were interested in the soundtracks and beauty, but they didn’t show what and where :(
Ha, I didn't know! I know him from the Adkins group and from the video for Undisputed 3 under Skillet - Hero
That's right!
Terrible people. They do nothing, criticize those who do something and also get money for it. =)
Good video on Raid:
youtube.com/watch?v=t22tgGCvt0o
By the way, from one of the site’s readers. Alexander is great, I’ve already watched his video for BKO several hundred times, and my friends snapped up the soundtrack for the call. :)
Finally watched this movie. I watched it not because of the “hype” around it, but simply because I wanted to watch the continuation of the first part. I bought it straight away on BD for my collection.
I am not a film critic, moreover, I slightly dislike this category of people, and therefore I will express my opinion briefly and point by point, without going into the light, the camera, the characters, etc. :)
- The film is somewhat “ragged”: sometimes it drags on for no apparent reason, then suddenly events develop rapidly.
- There are a lot of logical inconsistencies about which a lot has already been said - usually in the rush of watching films with BI, I don’t notice them, but here it caught my eye.
- I’ll say more about the battles, but there were moments when the battles were somewhat tiring - I agree with the statements. Either it was really filmed like that, or I’m getting old. After all, the fights with Jackie were also long, but they were not tiring. I think the problem is entertainment, diversity and still age. Also in the then novelty of Chanov’s fights, of course. In my youth, it all seemed so new, “cool” and... No one had ever done this before. Now we really need something like this. :) Moreover, as we know, childhood and youth memories are the most vivid and memorable.
- I didn’t expect any variety, but I really remembered about the ball. :)
- The film is of course cruel, after the film there was an unpleasant aftertaste - what I saw. Perhaps the great emotionality and sentimentality caused by the birth of a son is taking its toll :). Although 6 years have already passed, I’m getting old. :)
Now about the fights: whatever you say, the pencak-silat performed by Iko was filmed and performed with dignity (in fact, just like in the first part). The rhythm of the fight, which I love so much, is present in most scenes and you believe in the power of the blows. But I noticed one thing: you believe in the power of punches, but not so much with legs. Correct me, comrade Iko. ;) As those present have already noticed, the attackers attack one at a time, even moments of waiting are visible, but... Despite the apparent monotony of the fights (not the styles used, but the combinations used), the fussy camera movements and some protractedness of the fights - I liked them. Due to the lack of normal on-screen battles, these look great. I received my boost of energy! I even beat a punching bag after the film, which rarely happens these days. :)
So, in general, I agree with the majority – this is not the super-duper action movie that everyone was waiting for, but it’s a worthy film! :)
PS By the way, what Iko shows is a little similar to what I once studied (duanquan), only in my case there were almost no circular trajectories, but qinna was present. And there were a lot of kicks to the legs, just not “low kicks” (in our direction they were performed somewhat differently), but straight ones – to the shin.
Every day is a holiday! First Raid 2, now Bushido Man and Once Upon a Time in Vietnam, both with translation! Oh, I forgot “mansions”...
Evans said that problems with subs and out of sync in dubbing are now being resolved. Of. release may be delayed.
I watched Raid 2 and share my personal impressions:
1. I liked the film, just as a film, a high-quality crime thriller, it was interesting to watch.
2. The fight scenes are very good. The fight with the baseball player and the hammerman and the fight in the kitchen were especially successful. The choreography of the fight in the kitchen was very impressive, it was very well filmed.
3. Iko Uwais looks quite convincing, he played and fought with dignity.
To summarize: I liked the film, it was great.
This scene has already appeared somewhere on this site. In general, there are four scenes cut from the film. I didn't dig too hard, but I didn't find them during a quick search.
Found the deleted "gangster war" scene
I looked at the screen. Because of the quality of the video, I don’t undertake to evaluate the production, cameraman, and editing, but it seemed to me that the director was seriously unable to cope. There were much more shaking cameras than in the first part.
Story. It didn't shock me, but it didn't completely suck either. In general, it is correct that Iko\Garrett develop and go beyond the scope of previous works. Two and a half hours were not tiring. Although for me this story was just seasoning, it is not faceless, it has enough original features that are memorable and catchy. I watched the entire film without fast forwarding, which is something neither Jha’s film, nor “Special Person,” nor many, many other action films have ever achieved.
Jaidev, be sure to check it out! You won’t approve of everything, but you will appreciate it!
Action It will be necessary to rewatch it in good quality. But for some reason I didn’t like either the hammers on the train or the bat. I liked the fight in the mud because it was unusual (I haven’t seen much of that), but that’s all.
But starting with the car chase, I tried to fit into the screen! Until this moment, my favorite adrenaline car chase was a scene from a Tarantino film. I forgot the name of the one that went in a diptych to Rodriguez’s “Planet Terror.” Definitely a new favorite now!
Then a fight against hammers and bats! Final fight! Uwais definitely looks more convincing now! Although I still don’t believe that kicks from a short distance on the extension or bend of the leg are so powerful.
Iko not only became seasoned, but also confused. With this drunkenness he looks more impressive, the contrast with the boy from the first part or “Merantau” is striking. On the verge of a foul. I can’t rate the original game, but in the voice acting, the scene in the prison canteen is simply chic and brilliant! He's getting better as an actor, he's getting better. The images of hammers-bats-Yayan and even bandits are gorgeous in their convexity and brightness. Although I didn’t like the hammers, Yayan was eliminated, and the finalist didn’t show himself at all. Boss Son looks a lot like Brandon Lee, for that alone I give him some points for nostalgia.
There are enough disadvantages and just questions. Like, why is Iko rushing into a shootout with knives? Or how he fought with either a cut calf muscle or a hamstring. Or how he got fat in prison for two years.
Overall, this is the best action movie of the last two years and a significant event of the last five years. And the obvious development of Garrett as a director-screenwriter, and Uwais as a film actor and actor.
Rumors.
On the film search, opening the page of the film Raid 3, I saw not only Iko, but also Tony Jaaamong the announced actors. Hm. Did I miss something or is everyone already aware? Or maybe a fake?
I'm even tired of reading these debates...
Absolutely everyone who watched this film from my circle said that this was the BEST action movie!!!
Someone says “I’m tired of watching fights in the film” - a large mass of people who go to see this film are just coming because of the fights
The fights in this movie are awesome!! There are no unnecessary frills (somersault hits, etc. nonsense)... everything is clear and to the point... how it was all filmed (the camera shook, the camera didn’t shake..), in my opinion, I only care about a couple of critics who post here. ..
Yeah, weird. On Monday I went to a session at nine in the evening, so only a quarter of the hall was empty. Moreover, the next show was at half past eleven at night, and about a dozen tickets were sold there. And this despite the fact that our people didn’t even know that besides Noah and Rio 2 they were showing something else in the country =(
It’s strange, cinemas are required to play even when the theater is empty.
Damn, I came, as they say, specifically to watch a film in the cinema - the show was canceled because no one came! I'll try again tomorrow...
Jaidev I don't remember
-Have you watched "FIREBALL"?
Does anyone know the license when Raid 2 will be released?
Of course, you started a discussion here, but by and large, no component is important, if the fights themselves are choreographed, executed and filmed disgustingly, then the film was not a success. Or, on the contrary, everything sucks, but the combat component is pleasing to the eye, then the film is a success. Because we expect from films of this kind - FIGHTING!!!
- There was such a thought. Moreover, go straight from the middle of NOAH to RAID.
I understood the main problem of modern cinema. The phrase - Brevity, the sister of talent, is clearly not familiar to filmmakers.
Jaidev, we had to go non-stop straight from the morning sessions.. “Noah”, “Raid” and so on until the melting)
- Yesterday we wanted to go to RAID, but for some reason we automatically went to NOAH. I’ll go to the RAID tomorrow and there will definitely be a continuation!
Baseball man
youtube.com/watch?v=6MEg2Uue-68
Jaidev, please continue the banquet...
Perhaps it looked drawn out, due to an attempt to create a real Hollywood story about the “mafia” and its showdowns. Well, in purely cinematic terms, it’s not Snyder or Cameron, of course. This is where the cons... uh, rather, the semblance of cons ends. And this begins... Surely the creators of artificial blood and other guts got rich, bought themselves an apartment, rested in the Canary Islands and are now praying for a third film =) It’s not like I’ve been in cinema for such a brutal, cool and tough “mochilov” for a long time did not see. Precisely in the cinema, that is, in the cinema. Zack Snyder and his Spartans is a children's matinee, a fairy tale "Frost" and Yeralash rolled into one, compared to the second Raid, guys. The year has clearly not passed in vain. Brave 5 points.
PS: The opinion was written by an amateur who doesn’t understand all sorts of action movie stuff and has never directed anything in his life. Therefore, it was based purely on emotions.
I agree with Slav that the fight against the couple: a baseball player and a girl with hammers is the best in the film. But the battle in the kitchen personally tired me out immensely; somewhere in the middle, I withdrew into myself and began to think about something of my own.
- Well, we rushed with PULL 2, and Donny didn’t reach the bar. I'll try to just switch to the movie and watch, closing my eyes to many of those. moments.
Let's see how RAID managed to surpass the aesthetics of Quentin Tarantinich's mochilov on a bloody scale.
As for attacking one at a time, I've already come to terms with that in the movies. It is unlikely that anyone will do the opposite. So mentally I’m ready... sort of.
Jaidev, of course it is necessary, after all, this film will be remembered for a long time!
Here is TYG2 - a shmurdyak, there is nothing to remember except Maris Crump, Special ID - also only one scene of taking out the guards was remembered. Raid, on the other hand, is completely emotionally engaging, and it’s nice to see that in terms of the plot a twist has appeared (in my opinion, all the characters turned out very well and they have motives). But they attack, as already said, one at a time, so prepare for this mentally in advance;)
- This is the number!!! Which will definitely go down in the history of Martial Arts Info! How so???!!!...
As more objective comments are added, I feel that I definitely need to run and watch it.
Alexander, I sympathize, lately, movies, cars, and technology are all “ram”... you’re starting to believe in the producers’ conspiracy...
The topic turned out to be so “hot” that literally 15 minutes ago my second monitor smoked and burned to hell (I’m not kidding, this is the second one in the last six months). Veselukha...%)
I also went to this movie. If we talk about the emotional component, then WOW!!! it really, really hit home!
If you try to look at a film from different points of view - production, music, plot, editing - you can find many flaws. Personally, the most disgusting thing for me was to see a pile of meat, bloody - well, it was possible to somehow shift the focus from this plane. It turns out that the emotional background of the picture is given precisely by excessive cruelty. Probably, if you remove it, the quality of the film will drop considerably, and then it could get lost among other good films. But we have what we have. In general, the staging of the fights is very good, I especially liked the fight against the girl with a hammer and the gopar-baseball player. There are no pauses, all movements are pre-calibrated and honed, i.e. you believe that the main character is actually being hit, and not waiting until he is ready to dodge/repel the next blow. The final scene was also pleasing - there is less fire in it than in the finale of the first part, but still very, very on the level. And by the way, on the contrary, I liked the camera work, although I have always been an opponent of a shaky camera - here somehow a balance was maintained and there were frankly interesting (in my opinion) finds. The car chase scene was the most intense, I sat there with my mouth open!!
Yes, by and large there are more pros than cons - a must see for all fans of fighting games.
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- I don’t even know what then, Ravenside. Considering the fact that if the film is great, then I see no point in saying that it is bad.
But there are no miracles.
Looking ahead, I can say that I will get tired of shaking the camera and will fall asleep during the fights, for which, in fact, this whole mess was done. And if I see something worthwhile other than fights, what could it be? Interesting dialogues? Great acting? Plot twist?
After all these discussions, I will definitely watch this movie. Most likely on Tuesday and I’ll write back right away. So to speak, hot on the heels of emotions and impressions. And they definitely will.
At one time, watching THE UNSTOPPABLES, I simply turned off my brain. And I ate this movie. And it was successful! But what’s surprising is that until now there has been no desire to review it, much less keep it for my collection. Neither the first nor the second film.
Jaidev, but if you watch it and like it?))) What then?
- What can you do about it? Nowadays, every day people stop thinking more and more. It's a pity.
At the checkpoint, as expected, I am quickly downvoted))
- Excellent review!
After reading it again I caught myself thinking, why is there such a fuss around one movie?
But because there is no worthy alternative at the moment.
That's how many times I remember the GREAT MASTERS. It's deliciously served. But somehow he merged quietly. They waited and did so much, but he basically went into the shadows.
In general, who is interested in my extremely subjective review:
http://www.kinopoisk.ru/user/927686/comment/2010064/
By the way, I don't like Kill Bill. Those. As I got a little older, I appreciated the cinephile part of the film, but neither the cinephile part nor the action part. I don't believe Uma. Either she flutters like a butterfly, simultaneously cutting off protruding parts of the body, then at some point she jumps up, grabs the balustrade of the second floor and climbs so hard, as if she had barely learned how to pull herself up five times.
Something like this. I generally have an ambivalent attitude towards Tarantino.
Wave, there’s this thing - don’t confuse progress with synthetics. If we are filming hobbits or some kind of science fiction with spaceships, why not a green screen? It is even inevitable there. But if we are filming a historical drama about medieval knights, then, excuse me, we would like a natural sky, natural mountains and castles. Or at least more of them. If we pretend to be realistic in battle, what are the cables for? If I see that this is computer blood on the face, how can I believe the hero?
I went to see "Raid 2" yesterday, a very cool movie! Probably the best Asian action movie in the last 2-3 years! “Tokens of Rage”, “Special ID”, “TYG 2”, “Police Story 2013” were not lying around, not to mention Hollywood! I didn’t really try to look for any mistakes or inconsistencies, I just enjoyed watching it! The only thing that was written about above is that the opponents attack exclusively one at a time, and the fight in the nightclub could have been completed with a duel between Ruhiyan and Rahman! And so - everything is great! PS There were only 7 people in the hall, but it was a full house! :)
There my comment seems to have gone to spam again. Because of another controversial word. In addition, I updated a couple of previous comments.
And oddly enough, here I am on the side of progress. There is such a utopian series of books “Meganesia”. There, at some point, a certain progressive country intervened in the internal affairs of transequatorial Africa (not all of it). It’s trivial - I put things in order. Knocked out gangs, cut off the supply of heroin from “civilized” countries under the guise of humanitarian aid. She introduced transgenic products, due to which, within a matter of months, it was possible to overcome hunger, obtain cheap biodiesel (rather than expensive petroleum products), and so on. And here is the episode: a Catholic mission and several soldiers of a progressive country. A philosophical dispute, where Catholics insist that the free fruits of progress are corrupting and all that. That these savages needed to be protected from the mistakes of civilization, blah blah blah. But the soldiers object: electricity was invented long ago, just like gunpowder. There is no need to force them to reinvent them. And in general, if you think that these savages are wonderful people at heart, aren’t you glad that now they eat to their fill and have turned from a monstrously poor country into simply a poor but developing one?
And in general, the cycle is very smart - it perfectly puts into place in your head everything that concerns morality, morality, religion, politics, sex and much more.
What am I talking about? Moreover, it is not the effort expended that is valued, but the result. And if the result of a trip to the mountains and filming against a green background is the same, then why do it the more difficult way?
Well, the fact that over time the goal is replaced by means or simply shifted is a cost. It would be good to keep them in mind.
That's right.
Interesting thoughts Wave.
I was watching a trickers party on YouTube the other day. I was just amazed at the things they did. I thought, why not show these dudes in the movies. Without cable and computer graphics. Everything is live. Like in the circus. After all, this is interesting. Human capabilities and achievements have always been attractive to our world.
As for Bruce, he was something of a pioneer in the Hong Kong fighting game spectacle. And it’s a shame that he left so early. For example, in his 40-minute GAME OF DEATH, I see a lot of game moves, and most importantly, he is an excellent comic actor. The dissections of the heroes Bruce and James Tien bring a positive smile. At first, Bruce built action scenes based on his physical training, but then he went to a certain theater. And personally it fascinated me.
But time passes and the same Jacobus tries to come up with interesting things that would be watched by more than a narrow circle of people. And this is captivating. He follows in the footsteps of Jackie Chan. Good tactics. In which, nevertheless, the level of skill is generally presented.
Let's take Iko Uwais and Tony Jaa again. The physical build and ideas in ONG BAK make us talk about the character of the film itself, unlike RAIDS, in which more attention is paid to the word - Mochilovo. KILL BILL is also a mess, so...? Uma Thurman is the star of the coolest action movie of our time?
Of course not.
Ravenside said it right. The risk of losing the invested money is very high. But if the producers listened to the classics, they could understand the success of a good hit. It's simple. And of course they would have returned the money with interest + they would have earned a lot.
"Giggles. It’s even a pity that I have exactly the same connection to the world of cinema that in the comments I communicate with a certain Shadrin (or Shadrin?). And from the experience of fighting games, almost only twenty years of experience in watching movies. Well, and in trifles, a couple of years of classes at the junction of school and college age."
- 20 years of watching movies can sometimes bring more benefits than the actions of a VGIK graduate who put his hand into Big Cinema.
So, there’s no escape, we all have different ages and experiences here.
Well, in general, I partially had this in mind when I wrote about “saving on effort and money.” But this is in any genre... why go to the mountains if you can then draw them on a green screen. If you don't know how to jump, jump the ropes and move on. Why the plot? And so they will eat it, the main thing is blood, sex, dubstep and rap in the soundtrack.
Giggles. It’s even a pity that my relationship to the world of cinema is precisely that in the comments I communicate with a certain Shadrin (or Shadrin?). And from the experience of fighting games, almost only twenty years of experience watching movies. Well, and on the little things, a couple of years of studies at the junction of school and college age.
I mean, I’m sick of comments in the style of “the grass was greener before, and the filmmakers were sick in the head.” And someone may have been fed up with my comments that I don’t need anything other than a spectacular fight in a movie and that’s why Oldboy is a different story.
Like Tony Jaafor the kennel :)
Ps And I consider the series “Mario Warfare” to be one of the best action films of recent times, which is more than just an action movie;)
Oh, and about stagnation and all that, I have another thought. It has been honed in discussions about literature for quite some time. Namely: works of art also become obsolete.
It turns out to be such a paradox: Bruce Lee put several times more effort into his films than is now put into modern big-budget films. But at the same time, Bruce’s films themselves now look very pale. A year ago I rewatched “Fist of Fury” - all the choreography there is based only on Lee’s physical form. And the technique of this choreography is poor, poor - just a few primitive blows. Only professionals and connoisseurs see how much work is put into each frame, how everything is polished, etc. Well, even those who were children in the eighties and seventies and watched his films then - they, of course, have an imprint.
Why is that? What follows from this?
Technologies do not stand still. I'm not talking about computer cables or even cables. It’s just that cinema has accumulated a lot of experience in how to make a spectacular fighting game. If Bruce had had this experience, his films would have made all the boys from five to one hundred and five orgasmic for another half a century. So over time, it became possible to make a film as spectacular as Enter the Dragon, but with several times less effort. And so the profanation began. On the one side. On the other hand, cinema still does not stand still and from time to time new names and new discoveries appear. The same Jacobas as a fighter against Bruce Lee is not great, but his short films leave Bruce's films dry.
To be honest, these reflections leave me with a confused impression, although I have been thinking about this for a long time. And the conclusions are somehow incomplete. But I hope that I conveyed my idea to those who are interested.
Self-realization, dammit!
- Right in the bull's eye!
That is why it is necessary not only for young filmmakers to shoot fighting games, but also to communicate without fail.
Have you noticed that everyone has the same mistakes.
The guys are physically great, but the problem is in the cameraman, editing, acting and dramaturgy. And this weakness can easily be turned into a strength.
The question is: How necessary is this for those who make such showreels? Here we are discussing everything in detail, but they may have just taken it off, making fun of it.
Wave, well, in this opinion you are not anti-Jaidev at all. Both he and I, I think, support you in this.
I wrote and wrote a long comment, then I thought and deleted it. Because I seem to be a kind of anti-Jaidev in it, especially since I have already voiced my point of view more than once.
I will only say that I have seen very, very few decent hand-to-hand action films that are more than action films (and that is why I single out hand-to-hand action films separately, and dramatic films like Oldboy separately). But there are even fewer showreels that can compete on equal terms with scenes like “Donnie Yen vs. Collin Chow.”
There are many reasons. Stagnation is a natural thing. In the 80s, trends were determined by a few people, now: no personalities - no trends. Now every actor/director/artist wants: 1. to “realize himself,” meaning to show off on stage, satisfying his pride and ambitions, which is mandatory for an actor/director, but not the most important thing.
2. earn profit in any way in this changing and unpredictable world =).
3. Crisis of ideas. I believe that now in any field is a period of borrowing and generalization. almost nothing new is being created, but it will all change.
4. The desire to entertain, not make you think, but even at the same time save on effort and money.
Because it’s easier to work with formatted ones, manage them, integrate them into the system, find a use for them, and they’re not afraid of unpredictability, because unpredictability and originality are a big fear for producers, because the money is paid.
- It would seem that it’s in the way... the 21st century and a lot of things have already happened, but no. The pros leave, and the forges refuse to forge “film crazy people.”
+ lack of competition in this matter. This means no competition with anyone. This is a big minus. Considering the fact that a person struggles and achieves all his life.
It seems to me that action and drama in cinema cannot be separated. Otherwise, it turns out to be a showreel. Naked technology. Mechanics. People pass on the belts and then with emotional display and content, should it really be the other way around in CINEMA (read in art)?
For me, “Raid 2” is the real art of battle cinema, I have not seen anything like it in “Ninja 2”, or in “Special ID”, or in “Honor of the Dragon 2”. What Gareth Evans shot is a masterpiece!
The opinion is interesting. Moreover, excellent argumentation, thank you! I really really like UNDERSTANDING such nuances, both in cinema and in literature. Although I still remain in my opinion that warm is compared with soft and the scene is very good, but not as a battle scene, but as a dramatic one.
+1
Arguments, accusations, name-calling and even hysterics...
How cute, it’s like returning to the 4th grade of school - who is better Bachchan or Jitendra!)))
Seriously, people are so proud that on principle they don’t watch classics, but consider what they just watched as such without hesitation)))!
What is better to watch: movies with spinners, MMA, wing chun, tai (options) or silat (by the way, also options...), etc. - the dispute is senseless a priori (but, I see, merciless))).
Bottom line IMHO.
I am sure that all that matters to Gareth is the presence of a TON of reviews, and not the context))).
The director is worthy in his own way. Just like Iko in BI on the screen.
No less, but no more. Judging by the "erection" =))) of the audience, their films definitely have a near future!
I answer if you are interested in my opinion:
1. There are no cuts, one long take, the camera moves and shows the stage - this is theater. We see that it is constructed not like a movie, but like a theatrical fragment in real time. In fact, this scene can be shown in a play by decorating it with light and color.
2. Well-honed dynamics: pauses do not create sagging, but rather create wild tension and anticipation of what will happen next. “Pseudo-murder,” as Jaidev put it.
3. Music: dramatic, more precisely, tragic and hopeless.
4. Color and light: hospital-grave green walls, dim lamp light. A corridor, a closed space, like a metaphorical tunnel through which the hero moves towards the light. Is there light at the end of the deadly tunnel?
5. Tension, excitement and panic are felt by each participant in the fight, everyone makes mistakes, falls, there are many enemies, but they are not confident in themselves, which means the outcome of the battle is unpredictable. There's no Schwarzenegger against a crowd of little soldiers here. Here is a bitter man on the edge. The hero gets TIRED for some time.
6. No conveyor belt opponents. They act based on space.
7. A hero in extreme circumstances, initially unwinnable. A man with a knife in his back fights to the death because he is extremely motivated, his reserves are working on the edge, he is in a state of passion, because revenge and instincts overwhelm him.
The remake is crap. IMHO, a pale copy, no original contribution or reinterpretation. Brolin is clumsy.
Jaidev, this idea has already popped up here, perhaps more than once. As far as I remember, it was in a topic about Formless, where I and several other people gave out their tops and just favorite films. See the link in popular discussions in the right column of the site. That’s why I’m rooting for this link not to be buried under the same type of topics with discussions of the film-that-cannot-be-mentioned.
Yesterday I finally went to the cinema! )) I’ll share my opinion...the film is at the level of the first part. Not better, but not worse either. The number of hard scenes is just off the charts!!! (The film series saw is resting)
I especially praise the camera work, it is top class!!! Remember how Keanu Reeves promised us a unique shooting of fight scenes in his film, but never showed us? So, all this is in Raid 2!
I don’t advise Comrade Jaidev to watch it, because there is one flaw in “one against the crowd” battles... not everyone attacks at once, but one at a time...
The musical accompaniment without Mike Shinoda, of course, deteriorated, but a couple of times during the film something similar to his style was played. Now I'll look for the soundtrack)
Enjoy watching everyone!)) Don't forget to take your children away from the screen))
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- To be honest, I agree with you. The scene from OLD BOY, despite its genre and cinematic nature, can hardly be in the Top 20 of the best movie fighting game. Why such a tabloid was created is of course a little unclear to me.
Oh, I had an idea! What if, within the limits of our competence, we compiled OUR OWN 20 BEST fighting games in the entire history of world cinema.
I am sure that in the future we will not only understand cinema more, but also each other, by reading and discussing everything that happens here. And sometimes it gets so hot that the hottest spot on any continent just rests.
We once compiled the 20 BEST films. So why not create the 20 best fighting games. You can even name a new topic in the discussion like this:
20 Best Fighting Games from Martial Arts Info.
The previous part of the comment is clear and I agree. But this sentence is repeated over and over again, but I get the impression that they repeat it like zombies. Well, what is better?
Thank you very much! It’s these moments in the technological part of camera work that I’m at a loss for, to put it mildly. And this explanation reveals at least one aspect and accordingly partially clarifies it.
In general, I have the impression that people are simply confusing niches or something. They admire the film, but regarding this scene they see - a battle between one man and a crowd, and such an emotional battle (in the raid there are also fucking emotional battles) - oh, automatically - this is one of the best battle scenes! Although in fact this scene is a little different from that. It should be included in the categories “emotional scenes”, “scenes appropriate for the film, meaningful scenes”, “high-quality scenes shot and edited” and so on.
Here’s another trick: I first came across a selection of “The 20 Best Fight Scenes in Asian Cinema.” There were fights between Jackie and Urquidez - without the bazaar - absolutely the best! There was something of old Donnie there. In general, I don't remember the whole set. I agreed with most of the top then. A minority are films from around the seventies, where there are not fights, but theatrical performances of “my kung fu is stronger than yours.” To be honest, I can’t stand those, including Jackie Chan’s films before the eighties. And among this top there was a scene from Oldboy. And I hung tightly. It seems that “my kung fu” is not from the seventies, but at the same time... And... And why was this scene included in the top? There are a lot of such batches on YouTube! True, usually it’s either a crowd against a crowd, or a crowd against one, but this one remains lying. But anyway, why was THIS called the best fight scene?
In general, I watched the film out of curiosity. I was deeply impressed, especially by the ending! Almost the only work of art about which I categorically would not like to find out a spoiler! (I usually go deep on spoilers) But why the scene with the hammer is considered the best fight scene, I still can’t understand.
Ps But in the remake this scene was made into a combat scene and was relatively good. But the remake itself didn't impress me as much as the original film.
Simply because she is alone in the film.
Simply because the film is more than just an action movie. (He's not a fighter at all)
Simply because, excuse me... the spinners don’t kick, and the main role is not a professional fighter/stuntman.
This is quite simple and dry. The only difference is in genre and perception. In answer to the question: is combat cinematography....? What's this?
This scene was filmed and, most importantly, presented better than the vast majority of fights in modern cinema.
Why did it happen?
- Absolutely right. The scene is essentially a scene. But it is in close emotional context with the film. + everything was filmed very well. No gluing. At the same time, the camera corrects itself, rather than jerking. + there are a lot of points in this scene. Attack. Hit or miss. Pseudo-murder. Again a reflection of the battle. And in the final, finishing off everyone possible. + original ending in the elevator. Everything is well-tailored. Overall this makes a delicious pie!
But in essence - yes... the scene is like a scene against the backdrop of, say, other fighting game scenes.
As long as I know Oldboy, I still wonder why this scene is included in the top fight scenes. I watched it several times, trying to understand everything. The film itself is powerful! And the stage is, well, like a stage. It refers to combat cinematography purely formally.
“But then... let’s say, all these long swings of bloody bats and hammers are completely overshadowed by one scene in the Korean Oldboy. It’s just tearing into rags.”
- I remember that scene. She "catches" with her cinematic presentation.
In Raid 2 the fights are also oh-so-long, plus there are really long takes. Only they are boring, there is little creative thought there. There is no difference here - a comedy fight or a drama, such a thought should always be there.
I already talked about this above: in Raid 2 everything is quite good with this, if it is not action or if it is creating a tense atmosphere before the action. Evans' team does a decent job with this, especially when compared with TYUG2 or Ninja 2. Plans, color, lighting and sound - everything is very strong, for the conditions, means and budget that Evans has. But then... let's say, all these long swings of bloody bats and hammers are completely overshadowed by one scene in the Korean Oldboy. He just vomits into rags.
- And the reason for this is the operator, lighting and editing in the first place. Remember Jackie said that good punches and techniques are not needed if the camera cannot capture them properly.
In his films the fights were very long. But they always looked the same. And they still look today. Even take the fighting game YOUNG MASTER or DRUNKEN MASTER 2. It's chic!
In general, look at Raid 2, I will repeat once again, TYUG 2, compared to it, IMHO looks like a vulgar hack. But don’t have too high hopes, these endless broken heads have tired me.
There is definitely a lot of truth in this, I also thought about this and perceive this situation in exactly the same way. Especially about the “production of worthwhile goods”.
For me, it's just an ordinary sandwich; if you bite into it, it's not the freshest. Average. Evans has potential. But I don't see the concept. The concept with silat - Evans does not implement it, it does not fulfill its purpose.
- I don’t think RAIDS are a disgrace at all. It’s just that in my opinion it doesn’t live up to the artistic quality. This is in the age of technology. They took the camera, slung it on their shoulders and filmed as if they were missing. Personally, this offends me. If I were the creator, I would try to do something interesting. ONG BAK did it. And very good. In terms of choreography, I have no particular complaints. But the execution leaves much to be desired. And I even talked about the second RAID - everything starts out great, but as soon as the action comes out, everything flickers again. And Ravenside said the same thing in a top post.
I don't think the whole world is stupid. There is an interesting tendency to forget a lot of what happened in action films. + Nowadays, little good is being produced and the RAID seems like a fresh breath of air. Maybe it is so. And this fact also plays into the hands of the film.
There is also my own worldview on cinema. And it also makes its contribution to this matter.
BUT I once again ask myself a question - If I am such a critic of everyone and all of modernity, then why do I sometimes review the short film GROUNDHOUS DAY with Jacobas and recommend it to everyone involved in cinema?
Perhaps it has to do with the quality of the material presented. Like a delicious dish. In which, according to my taste, everything is more than normal.
For me, RAIDS are fast food. But many people like him, and that’s probably normal.
I, for the most part, prefer home-cooked food, when you stand at the stove for almost hours, with the desire to treat the guests who come to a delicious dish.
THE RAID has its place, but to say that it is a great film of our time is at least absurd.
In any case, I’ll definitely watch RAID 2 in the cinema at the beginning of the week.
Wave, overall the film is good. It was filmed with dignity, the budget is visible, the locations, color rendering are all at a decent level, IMHO TYUG-2 looks like a frivolous and vulgar craft in comparison.
True, in Raid 2 there is also a vulgar moment with strippers dancing, some kind of shitty ballet, terribly cheap.
But the battles... were tiring. Yes, in totality, and nicheness - I understand what you are talking about. But if you dig deep, in Raid and Raid 2 they are not particularly inventive, we have already seen it all a hundred times, all these beating heads with hammers, cutting necks.. often it is just threshing. And if you dig even deeper, you will notice that a fighting game has a narrow and fairly identical set of techniques, movements, and dynamic solutions. There, if there is a table in the frame, someone will definitely hit their head on it. Listen, just clear away these tables already, they’ve already beaten me a hundred times during the film...
BUT. But... I won’t dissuade anyone, the film is worth watching, I won’t say that it’s a waste of time. Yesterday I watched “Snowpiercer” - what a waste of time.
I won’t say about the second one, because they don’t rent it here, I’m waiting for torrents. And for the first one I’ll say this: an event! Separately - plot, technique, cinematography, bloodiness - there are better examples. But all together it turned out to be very niche and took first place in this niche. I’m quite familiar with fight cinema and still don’t remember a single film where a) there is continuous action, b) it’s so bloody, c) it’s hand-to-hand (close combat, closed space), d) with good choreography.
Jackie's fights with Urquidez? Yes, they are cooler, but those films are from a different niche (action-comedy films), and besides, those films do not have such continuous action. And so on.
In general, I’m just biting my nails - when will I be able to see for myself. We should shut up until then.
Jaidev, I'm sorry but you're putting Reid down too much. That is, with the words “shame” or something like that. I understand if you just don’t like the film, but you don’t even consider it “average”. Well, so many people can't like a movie like this. Every movie has its flaws, but The Raid is a great action movie. Or do you think that the rest of the world except you is stupid?
There is a lot to agree with and think about in your criticism. But you underestimate the film too much.
I just watched Raid 2. To put it very briefly and concisely:
1. It is quite successful as a feature film, I watched it with interest.
2. It’s paradoxical, but I caught myself thinking that if there were no fights at all, or if there were half as many of them, it would be much more interesting for me to watch the film. Often the battles were tiring, irritating, and only some part or fragments of them were captivating. But it often seemed that fighting games, and especially their extreme cruelty, were completely unnecessary. Fighting for the sake of fighting. Cruelty for the sake of cruelty. If there was an opportunity, I would rewind the majority.
3. The camera work is excellent, but only when it doesn’t involve action. In the action, you won’t see anything fundamentally new. A slightly improved version of Merantau, Raid, etc...
4. Yuvais began to move and play much better, but his technique is still lacking. The staging of the battles itself is as expected. Opponents attack in turns as if on a conveyor belt, etc.
5. Rukhyan is the only character for whom, oddly enough, I cared and who aroused sympathy - he was practically merged.
6. The final battle in the kitchen is dramaturgically incorrectly constructed. It's so tedious that by the middle of it I was sitting there thinking: when are any of them going to die?
7. The main hero is Terminator and Wolverine in one. That’s why the battles seem both realistic and simply fantastically unrealistic, and you stop worrying about the heroes.
8. Many logical mistakes. Why are they taking Ram in a car to kill for three nine lands, if they could have done this even earlier, when he was unconscious? Why break the door in the toilet scene when the WALLS DO NOT GO TO THE CEILING, climb over the wall and that’s it. Why are there almost no guns in the film when there LOGICALLY should be? The whole mafia is running around with the fittings. What a laugh.
9. The film will seem like a mega-hyper-explosive action film only to those who have little knowledge of the genre of fighting cinema and who have little viewing experience.
10. PS: for the first time I sat in a cinema hall without a single girl, surrounded by only gopniks, who laughed throughout the hall at a joke about a small penis. I wanted to stand up like Rama and start breaking through towers.
If you don’t know “Kolesochnaya...” you can, of course, be left in a precipitate, I don’t think that the energy of the final battle can be surpassed. I have nothing against Reid and Gareth, but “they don’t film like that anymore.”
Shhh! The first rule of fight club!
Holy shit! For some people, Jackie Chan's best film is too small! I'm freaking out without fear!
And the hand itself reaches for the plus gun! And by God, this time I’m on Shadrin’s side.
“Here the influence of John Woo is only in the manner of fights...”
- Yes, everyone knows the DINER. But how many years have already passed? And the same amount will pass and will be remembered. And they will review it more than once. As for the soundtrack, you need to look for melody and memorability in movie fighting games.
Just don't drag old John Woo into this. No need. He was never a master of hand-to-hand combat, so...sorry. Are you mistaken, comrade (you need to study cinema, study...) Japanese horror? What are these? What about Italian spaghetti westerns?
People in the GUM CLUB laugh at cheap humor. So... should we consider this the apotheosis of great art?
You better go... watch SNACK. Maybe you will think more comprehensively. And thought is now worth its weight in gold. In addition, you will not fall in the eyes of other experts on this site.
Because now, after your own post, you specifically fell. So sorry. It's my own fault.
Do you remember the movie with Adriano?
He climbed into the barn and shouted to his pursuers - There is no need to come here!!! (And they were chasing him in a car.)
Partner driver - Break through!
They fly into the gate. Bang! The door is in pieces! The car somersaulted... into the cellar, which was behind the door.
- Well, I said I shouted at you not to come here. Eh...to hell with you.
And Adriano hastily retreated.
Morality?
Translated from English. option - “Wheel for snacks”. :)
Yes, it's simple:
Who knows this Diner with the Donnie Yen Movie, I haven’t watched them and it’s unlikely that anyone will watch them, your mention of them will not encourage me to watch them.
And Raid 2 is wonderful, and the features ala horror + action in the spirit of Asian action films are off the charts. Here, the influence of John Woo only in the style of fights, and Japanese horror, and music (And Gareth is great at creating an atmosphere, who can do better?), all this makes his film special and interesting, + he does not shun all sorts of macabre jokes in the spirit of “ball” pick it up... but you’re in vain,” and this is far from the only moment where people laughed in the hall, believe me, there were a lot of them, and when Iko finally won this battle in the kitchen, the people simply applauded. Although what am I telling you here, the movie is mediocre, it’s better to watch Diner, yeah.
- And thank God. Shh! Or rather Amen!!!
- The answer is incorrect.
Essentially please. Expressed. Give your reasons. You don't consider yourself a box without a brain, do you?
- What makes RAID so highly artistic? What is funny about my reasoning?
Do you even know what “lining up” is in cinema?
I wouldn't advise you to throw stones at film classics. Not grown up yet.
And I don't need to shut my mouth. Read more, watch and communicate. Better yet, do it, and don’t snap like a child. Then a lot will change for the better in your life.
Yes, it makes sense to start something.
I understand that he is increasing the site’s hype here.
But banning him is the best thing.
Because these arguments of his are simply ridiculous, by God.
Right, Jaidev?
And no one has remembered about “Squishy” yet;)
Toasty!
It has begun... :(
"...Stick your SNACK and THE LEGEND OF CHEN'S WIFE deep inside and enjoy them."
- Nu Nu. A normal kid who adequately appreciates the “highly artistic paintings of an unrivaled creator.”
Shouldn't I give you a sedative?
Jaidev, I don't envy you!
No one will ever now (meaning the second decade of the 21st century) make anything cooler than Raid 2. Gareth Evans is an artist with a capital “A”, he builds fights like a work of art. And to criticize you like that is the highest degree of inadequacy. So it would be better if you had the conscience to speak like that about Reid - average level, yeah. Stick your DINER and THE LEGEND OF CHEN'S WIFE deep inside and enjoy them. But here, let normal guys communicate, because you are not able to objectively evaluate something. You've already been told about this here, but it doesn't seem to reach you.
"And now the third point. I also feel like the film was not made around him. That is, if in the case of Tony Jaa one feels something like, “Guys, look, this is a great stuntman and a unique screen fighter. Let's make a film with him!” Then in the case of Iko, "Guys, I got 1,5 lemons for the film. Let's find a suitable actor!" Although Gareth says he saw Iko and thought about making a film with him."
- At one time, there was a definition about Tony: “The illegitimate son of Bruce Lee.” And there is something in it. In addition, after ONG BAKA and THE DEFENDER, some began to run around the city with bags at the ready and with checkered scarves around their necks. Perhaps a tribute to fashion... but still. ... The same Iko was a bit noticeable in imitation in MERANTAU.
But I will say that it is a matter of time. I think that later he will develop his own bright style. He's not on the screen yet.
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- This is a troublesome matter. Firstly. And secondly: Shove your envy up your ass and breathe evenly if you have nothing meaningful to say on this site! OK?
I remember reading one review of The Raid where it said: “Iko Uwais is superior to Tony Jaa as an on-screen fighter” - and I was like “is this really possible?!” I watched the film. Ico didn't top Tony, but the film left a lasting impression. I immediately loved the film.
I agree about Iko's charisma. His face is too kind. Well, let's say he's not a "BAD ASS". If I didn’t know him, and he starred in Twilight, and they told me that he had a masterpiece, hard-hitting action movie, I wouldn’t believe it. But on the other hand, his kind face suited his character very well: a well-trained special forces soldier, but still a novice for whom this was perhaps his first serious operation.
And now the third moment. I also feel like the film was not made around him. That is, if in the case of Tony Jaa one feels something like “Guys, look, this is a great trickster and a unique screen fighter. Let's make a movie with him!" Then in the case of Iko “Guys, I got 1,5 lemons for the film. Let's find the right actor!" Although Gareth says he saw Iko and thought about making a film with him.
Let's all fuck Jaidev!
He's already fucked! Pseudoesthete x*ev...
...as far as awards are concerned, there is only one thing that shines (or shines) for RAIDS - choreography. ALL! This is where the list of awards ends. Why?
Plot? So-so. Acting? Average level. Camera work? The ideas are there, but the execution is below average. Installation? Average. The work of a sound engineer or an artist? Lighting solutions or special effects?
There's nothing here. This is how fights are staged.
BUT again... compared to the same spectacular Tai Boran, pencak silat is very inferior in many respects. It's different - like tricking and judo.
For me, I would add spectacular falls. By the way, this also applies to ONG BAKS. So that people don’t just fall at random, but fall in “numbered” falls. A la Hong Kong. Everything is clearly spelled out there. If they hit you in the face with a flying kick, then it’s either a fall with a twist, or a 360 in a twist, or half a Bedouin or Arabian somersault. If there was a clear blow, then why not make the fall clear, and not at random or as it was necessary.
In general, you understand what I mean...
There are suspicions that this is related to the release dates. The sequel was shown at a smaller number of festivals and the sequel was released EARLIER in different countries (after the premiere at the festival).
For example: Raid was first shown on September 8, 2011, and distribution began on March 23, 2012 (7 months - 8 festivals). Raid 2 was shown on January 21, 2014 at the festival, and it was already released in cinemas on the 20th of March (2 months - 2 festivals)
Those. a different tactic was chosen for the film's distribution. The first part needed advertising like air; it was shown at as many festivals as possible in order to get more rave reviews and thereby interest both viewers and distributors more.
But the sequel needed festivals to a lesser extent, because... the problem with the distributor had already been resolved, there was already a fan base/list of people interested in the film, and the premiere at 1-2 festivals before the release was needed simply to inform everyone that the sequel was no worse than the original.
PS Raid 2 was not shown at those festivals where Raid received awards.
I’ll repeat myself, but I’ll ask again - why does the film still not have a single award at any film festival that is somehow related to BI/action films? Or are there such?
“What can I do if without blood it doesn’t look real. To be honest, I have arguments and explanations spinning in my head about what I mean and why - but it’s a lie.”
- What about the on-screen fights of at least Jackie and Urquidez in the SNACK... and DRAGONS...? And a lot more from that time.
As far as I remember the beginning of THE LEGEND OF CHEN WIFE - it seemed like a war, and the fight looked good. And there wasn’t much blood there at all.
There are weapons, of course, lying around the house just like that.
By the way, I agree here.
What can you do if it doesn’t look real without blood? To be honest, I have arguments and explanations swirling around in my head about what I mean and why - but it’s a lie.
I really hope so, and as I noted above (or in another thread), Ico has noticeably matured since even the first Raid.
"Gareth's films - yes, films with Iko - yes, but for some reason I cannot name these films by HIS. Maybe these are some personal problems of mine, but here's the joke. =)"
- I meant the same thing. I have nothing personal against Iko, but he has not yet formed as an on-screen entity. Probably everything has its time. Tony also did not immediately come to the cinema with an established type. He worked as a stuntman and appeared in short films that were far from the best level.
In addition, Iko is not one of those who strike on the spot with his charisma. By the way, Belmondo had the same problem. Young, not at all. And after working with Godard, and then when he had “those signature” wrinkles, he was literally in great demand!
The main thing is for Iko to survive until she comes of age.
On the one hand, I don’t agree with you that Iko is “one of many,” but on the other hand, I catch myself thinking that it is not known how Iko will show himself in battles WITHOUT Penchak (and sooner or later he will have to be abandoned/moved away, because the viewer will get bored with monotony) and... when we talk about cool fighting games, I can ask the question “have you seen this film by Jackie/Van Damme/Bruce/Jet/Donnie/Scott/Tony”, despite the fact that they are just ACTORS in these films, and when I talk about Raids, I cannot call them “Iko’s films”, Gareth’s films - yes, films with Iko - yes, but for some reason I cannot call these films HIS. Maybe these are some personal problems of mine, but here’s the joke. =)
"As you wish, but in terms of realism (yes, if you want, read “bloody”), Raid surpasses Ong Baki."
- Is bloodiness the main thing? ONG BAK and THE DEFENDER is already a classic, with Tony Jaa on his lips, which many want to surpass. And an example to follow. And that's a fact.
As for the future... We'll see. Time, as they say, will tell.
This movie!!! The raid is no less picturesque. A real commando in such situations would look for WEAPONS and ammunition, and not fight with bare fists against dozens of bandits armed with machetes. ;)
In ninja, the choreography is too graphic. Where a real warrior of the night would shoot from around the corner in the back, or, in extreme cases, kick him in the balls, there is a fight with jumping with turntables and all that. In the first raid and, I hope, the second, everything is much more realistic. Except for the terminators, which can withstand half an hour of intense combat. But even then, if you want to live, you won’t get so excited.
I have a strong sense of déjà vu—this comment has already appeared verbatim on this site. ;)
Whatever you want, but in terms of realism (yes, read “bloody” if you want), Raid surpasses Ong Baki. In addition, Tony has passed his peak and is very unlikely to show anything even comparable to Ong Bak and the Defender. Iko still has a very, very big chance to surpass herself.
Comprehensive review!
The fact that the director paid attention not only to the fights, but also to the very essence of the characters, is good news. Big +.
But today I caught myself thinking, what’s wrong with the leading actor?
It's not even about charisma (and of course Iko lacks it).
Compared to Tony Jaa, Iko doesn't do anything as interesting as Tony did. Screw kicks, acrobatics, running over people. + Muay Thai Boran is cool in a special way than silat. + Tony just gave off a crazy energy boost!!!
Iko is one of those guys who just fights. Tony entertains the audience by demonstrating his capabilities. This is captivating. There is a certain parallel with the circus, where people come to look at a person’s physical capabilities. The same thing once happened with Jackie. Before him, they just fought, dancing and clapping their hands in kung fu. Jackie brought the plot, danger, crazy falls and of course all this created an entertainment factor.
After the release of ONG BAK, people started talking - Tony Jaa!!!
RAID 2 has already been released (not to mention MERANTAU) and no one really knows who this Iko is. And he won't know. Why? He's like everyone else. By and large.
And what to look for? On Mochilovo?
It might be better to re-watch Steven Seagal's early works or Japanese samurai movies. At least there is more quality there.
But in any case, RAID 2 takes place in the fighting game cinema, and how long it will live is another story.
For now, we can only wish this film good box office receipts and luring young people (and not only) to Pencak Silat.
“A snickering film critic,” “hater,” “what did he expect from Avatar?”
OH GLORY HELLO!!! =D
In Ninja 2 the cinematographer/editor did a better job during the fights. Regarding the choreography... this is largely a matter of taste, in my opinion it is at a very good level in Ninja 2. As for the artistic part and the scope of the action... I absolutely agree with this, Raid is several heads cooler.
And if you consider that the entire film was shot in just 7 weeks, then at least put a monument to Isaac and Co. for this, because... Gareth, Donny and Jah have much better filming conditions, and Isaac somehow manages to reach their level (in certain components of his films)
I hate haters!
The one who is Scott Adkins' biggest hater.
I haven’t heard of “Palba”. This Pavel cannot be called a hater. :)
And what is he famous for?
Is this the same famous reviewer Pavel “Palba” Belba???
"The film is bound to have fans screaming that it's the best martial arts film ever made, and haters who won't understand what's so great about this otherwise average film. I liked the film more than I didn't. But again, to the title of “THE BEST ACTION FILM EVER MADE” as to the Moon."
The snickering film critic, what did he expect from Avatar? This film is just a breath of fresh air, after TYUG2, Ninja 2 and Special ID.
I got this impression from the individual videos that flashed here.
But damn, the way I see him, I still can’t get rid of the impression that this is a friend with whom we studied in the same section 15 years ago.